TOP 10:Combat Rifles - M1 Garand(NO.4)

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[JimmyG228]

@halnywiatr Oh ok, now I get it. Thanks. So for example the AK-47 could easily been called, say a 30-47 then right?

[halnywiatr]

@JimmyG228 Anything after the 30 is not a measurement; it is a name designation. It could just as well be .30Q or 30-YZ.

[JimmyG228]

@halnywiatr Ok that was explained really well, thank you.

I'm still fuzzy on why the US would call a 7.62mm a .308 when it's smaller then a .303. Wouldn't calling it a .302 make more sense? Or better yet, why would the British use the number .303, when as you said it's actually .311? Its seem the only standardization is in meteoric.

I hate to sound nit-picky but I just started reloading my own ammo & my books don't answer these questions. They don't even hint at an explenation.

[halnywiatr]

@JimmyG228

The .303 is only three thousandths of an inch larger diameter than the 30-06 (.311 versus [ironically] the Springfield’s .308) or seven and a half thousandths of a millimeter larger. That is well less than a half a human hair’s difference so, practically, both will travel down the same barrel. The difference is in chambering and the ballistics of shape and charge.

[halnywiatr]

@JimmyG228

Although many cartridges are nominally 30 caliber, there can be minor differences in bullet diameter from how different armories classified the rounds with the measure sometimes being applied to the bullet mold or to the bullet with or without jacket, etc..

The .308 is based on a short version of the 30-06 to enable its use in fully automatic weapons as the 30-06 recoil renders shoulder arms not effective for aiming. They share the same bullet.

[halnywiatr]

@JimmyG228

30-06; .303, and 308 are all nominally 30 caliber rounds. The numerals after the 30 are used to differentiate the cartridge from other 30 calibers and different armories use various naming conventions (the -06 comes from the year of acceptance). The differences can be based on differences in case and or bullet.

[JimmyG228]

I have a question for Americans and/or anyone who understands the imperial measurement system:

NATO standard is to use meteoric, as a former NATO soldier I understand well meteoric calibers. However the equivalent imperial calibers make no sense to me.

Case in point; 30-06 & .308 are both 7.62mm, why the different numbers if they are the same caliber?

Then .303 to the logic of the number .308 implies the .303 is smaller then .308, however .303 is 7.7mm, which is bigger. How can this be?

[thehumangunstore]

My third favorite American gun.... And I think that's it. Just 3

[JimmyG228]

@esh325 You are right it was on a range in good conditions, but then again when those numbers are configured, they test them on ranges in good condition too, M1 is not an exception to that. They are all tested on ranges to determine rate of fire, so it's not like I had an unfair advantage over a GI with a M1.

[JimmyG228]

@esh325 You are right, we always train for our last war. I wasn't BSing either about British, Canadian & other armies training troops to effectively fire at the enemy at ranges past 1000m with their service rifles. The Canadian, Anzacs & Brits could even use there support infantry weapons to fire effectively at the enemy that far too. In the Great War the Germans schooled us on that tactic in 1914. Though out the war, into WW2, & Koreathe tactic was still taught & used.