Present! - Pim van Lommel (part one) Consciousness Beyond Life

Mel Van Dusen interviews renowned cardiologist Pim van Lommel about his research into the near-death experience and it's implications for a radically new paradigm for living in the 21st century.

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• KMVT
• Pim van Lommel
• near death experience
• nde
• consciousness beyond life
• out of body experience
• quantum physics
• quantum physics and death
• Mel Van Dusen
• life after death
• afterlife
• hereafter
• heaven
• spirituality and science
• brain science
• brain and consciousness

[nickallah]

@DStrike0083 you still havent answered y all memories are lost. "apparently" those kids hold memories of someone elses lives. and "apparently" they lose those memories shortly later in life. also, all these cases include buddhists and hindus only. religions that already believe in reincarnation. even still, reincarnation doesnt prove mind brain dualism necessarily.memories are supposedly physical, what if they linger for some time before dissipating and are picked up" by fresh minds

[nickallah]

@DStrike0083 no I didnt imply that. again. the evidence SO FAR, so far the evidence points to brain creating con. for ex. your con. is directly altered. DIRECTLY ALTERED by damage or changes to the physical brain. the brain consists of isolated parts responsible for specific functions. for ex. If i was to hit u in the head a certain way, you would cease to recognize faces. knowing that, would you say that con. is created by the brain or vise versa? your con is directly altered. cont

[TimpBizkit]

One possible theory I would like to explore is whether the perception of time passage is slowed as life leaves the brain, then as life re enters the brain, time perception returns to normal. Then explore what brain activity occurs not during the period of cardiac arrest, but just before and after.

Another study I would like to see the results of are a comparison of the NDEs of born again christians with other religions and athiests.

[DStrike0083]

@nickallah so no evidence from either side and take makes you right. Oh course. Perfect logic here

[DStrike0083]

@nickallah For an agnostic you sure are stupid, Science means you make and assumption and it's correct. Hooray. let's not do any research.

btw I am talking about plato's theory of consciousness. But I guess atheist like you are "oh someone think nde are real, must be a creationist, and I win."

oh retarded of you. No wonder atheists are seen as a bunch of retards who go out and burn crosses on people's yard

[DStrike0083]

@nickallah hmm, if you read ian stevenson's book on over 5000 case study of young children Apparently they can recount information before their birth to the exact detail.

Ah I love your science. You have not proven it but you assume and assumptions are correct. Marvelous.

oh here's something science can't prove. Rape. How can you prove something that has no tangible stuff (consent). But I guess you don't believe in rape

[nickallah]

@DStrike0083 heres another question for ya, how many scientific theories end with a immaterial conclusion? so far none. brain cells and EEG most likely produce consciousness we just dont know how yet. if I beat you in the head you lose specific function in that specific area. now if I kill your brain permanently suddenly you can recognize granmas face with 100% function? XD HAHA OMG! still havent answered. WHERE WAS YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS BEFORE BIRTH?y no memory? cmon, answer it.

[nickallah]

@DStrike0083 wow your incomprehension is staggering. my conclusion is that with the evidence we DO have points to material consciousness. only isolated minority of scientists have their minds made up, that con. exists in some imaginary land. "evidence" you speak of is pure shit. its so weak none actually CLAIM dualism. if you listen carefuly even PIMY here doesnt fully admit cuz the real evidence isnt even IN yet. there is still the possibility that youre right but no evidence yet.

[nickallah]

@DStrike0083 um in case you havent noticed, Im on the agnostic side on all this, but given what we DO know, the evidence SO FAR points towards brain creating consciousness. im not claiming thats the final conclusion. YOU however already got your mind made up in advance thats the problem. youve started with your own WISHFUL CONCLUSION and THEN looked for evidence. thats typical ID creationist christian backwardness. congrats. youre a fucking moron.

[DStrike0083]

@nickallah wow your rant was horrible. So wait let me get this straight, your conclusion is that materialism creates consciousness. Yet you provide no way of showing it. But when evidence proves counter to your belief, you say more evidence is needed and conclusion should not be drawn.

well how much conclusion do you want?