Libertarians and Randroids, part 4

The *slurp* edition. Standard disclaimer: the calendar on the wall belongs to Mrs. DJW, and comes from fckh8.com.

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• libertarians
• randroids
• property
• social
• contract
• constitution

[lordthawkeye]

Let me get this straight...

Are you working off the theory that I don't own my house but rather I rent it from Steven Harper? (Canadian Prime Minister)

[DavidJohnWellman]

@lordthawkeye You own your house in a limited sense. Canada owns governing rights to your land.

[bitbutter]

"And you can tell you're dealing with an objectivist when you hear the phrase 'fallacy of the stolen concept'"

No you can't. I'm not an objectivist.

The first half of my vid shows how 'property is theft' commits the stolen concept fallacy without reference to definitions of aggression. It's a shame you ignored that.

Yes 'property is invalid' would be a formulation that doesn't have the problems of Proudon's version.

[DavidJohnWellman]

@bitbutter Pre-existing property was inherent in your definition of theft.

[gulbirk]

@Virgil0211 THere is a difference. Biological creatures start out the same, in libertarian capitalism you dont. It doesnt matter if you are extremely smart and have the potensial of becomming a "saviour" (for a lack of a better word) for society. If you arent born in a family with allot of money, you cant go to school. And pleas, dont try to make up some shit about how the market will make schools cheaper, just study history.

[okbyme1000]

@DavidJohnWellman

You are right. Lordthawkeye lives in a fantasy land. He is the ultimate idealist, telling you what he thinks the world SHOULD be like instead of how it acctually is. And obviously you can't reason with him because he is unreasonable.

Man you guys are geeks.

[FearedBliss]

@roentgen571 haha I thought the same.

[FearedBliss]

@DavidJohnWellman Great video David. I believe in private property as a convenience rather than a real thing. While I believe that land cannot be owned. Land is common. I adopted the idea from John Locke and his Second Treatise of Civil Government.

[blackplatypus]

@Virgil0211 Naturalistic fallacy.

[stewie1974]

sea steading? BIOSHOCK

[hugesinker]

@artgoat Hey, I think I can be of some assistance here... type "libertarian party" into the search engine of your choice. You may be surprised to find an actual registered political party, both nationally and in most states. Go to one of those websites. There, you'll find a link that says "Platform". Click it. You'll read several specific positions on every major political issue. A few agree with the position that the democrats or republicans purportedly hold. Glad I could help!

[artgoat]

@hugesinker Somalia=Shari'a law. "Better off by almost every metric?"

"Libertarian" is a blanket label that defines nothing, being the blanket, universal, opposition party to everybody. It's a blessing that libertarian candidates don't hold many offices, because then they would actually have to have a platform and start to agree on beliefs, and that would be the end of them.  If Glenn Beck and Rand Paul can both call themselves "libertarian" then it REALLY needs to be better defined.

[DrIzixs]

You rock sir.

Actually have been in e-mail discussion involving at least one Randroide. The discussion was on the subject of a class action law suite against Wal-Mart that claims that women were being paid less then men, not being promoted, ect. Some of us ended up catching him up with his argument that these folks were not being harmed if this is the case (they are and probably being lied to about it). Difficult to be a rational, reasoning economic entity when you're world is full of lies.

[hugesinker]

@artgoat I don't support shari'a law or consider it to be an improvement over modern western republics. Shari'a law is against many individual rights, including those derived from secularization. I really think you have no idea what a libertarian is.