Obama defends Rick Warren pick
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Among many other things, Christian scripture and tradition affirm the legitimacy of slavery, claim that the Jews are cursed for killing Jesus, and assert that one must give away all of one's belongings and even learn to hate one's own family before following Christ. These are just a few of the matters on which contemporary Christians, including orthodox Christians like Rod, feel quite comfortable breaking with, or explaining away, scripture and tradition.
hiseminencegris 2 years ago
That's basically everyone then. Because even the most devout have been immoral. Opps. Lake of fire for you too, eh? Also, you're being immoral by claiming with certainty that gay people will be denied the kingdom of God (if it even exists, you're no example of Christian love - more arrogant certainty).
Also, it's not Jesus, it's Paul. If he wanted to refer to homosexuals he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time.
hiseminencegris 2 years ago
Actually, he did.
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. "
(Corinthians)
siika20 2 years ago
Okay then, in consequence I'm sure you'll support full equality for gay people - since Jesus himself had nothing to say about them - and Jewish laws are no longer valid. Great stuff.
hiseminencegris 2 years ago
Jesus said: "All these things are fulfilled in me."
Jewish laws were fulfilled in Christ. You may argue, but I know who is right.
siika20 2 years ago
That'll come as a terrific surprise to the Jews. It's also rather CONVENIENT isn't it? To take 4000 years of Biblical laws and then just say Whoops, kidding! Ignore all that. Forget the 10 commandments; forget all that Garden of Eden stuff, etc etc.
Of course, Jesus didn't say ANYTHING about homosexuality, so we can conclude he was OK with it. I mean, the Jewish laws aren't valid.
hiseminencegris 2 years ago
The Jewish laws aren't valid.
siika20 2 years ago
Excuse me, "the Old Testament is not valid anymore"? If that's true then God didn't create the world, there are no Ten Commandments, no one should give a thought to Adam and Eve and the Fall of Creation.
Epic Fail yourself. You're no Bible scholar.
hiseminencegris 2 years ago
Actually it's not. Old Testament is not valid anymore and in John Jesus says that "He who is WITHOUT SIN let him throw the first stone." Epic Fail.
siika20 3 years ago
Obama will disappoint a lot more groups in the coming years. It's just the beginning.
lokimagic 3 years ago