@TheFazproductions Yes, we can learn from each other. The shia benefit from Bukhari when they can use the Fadak ahadith to show that Bibi Fatima (sa) differed from the calipah. They can also use it to show Imam Ali (as) initially showed opposition to Calipate and considered himself more qualified. In Sahih Muslim it tells us follow the Quran and Ahlul Bayt. The Sunnis can benefit from Najh Al Balagha, and its Mutazilla commentary by Ibn Abil Hadeed.
So we're in agreement I don't consider any book Sahih or infallible except the Quran
And We also have the same system which is a narration through a chain, and there are those who we accept their authority over others, bcs of their knowledge or creditability within the Islamic community at their time.anyways it's good to understand from each other (Sunni and Shi3i) cause in my opinion the difference is not as big as our similarities our Prayer,Fasting,Rasool,Zakat,Book, are the same
@TheFazproductions Yah I am aware of that. As for Sahih it is a term used when the everyone in the chain is known. Every scholar has their opinion on who is realiable. When you lots of chains with the same information and know narrators that is when the ahadith becomes sahih. Again sahih doesn't mean infallible. The only prefect book is the Quran. Imam Jafar (as) told the Muslims to smash any ahadith against the wall if its contradicts the Quran.This includes 'sahih' ahadith.
wat do u mean direct books.we have writings of Imam Ali for examplebut if you're speaking about hadithwell all hadith came 300 years after the Prophet (PBUH) for example Bukary, Muslim and the others, came after You prbly didn't know that..but that's no prblm that they came this late, the problem is who Bukary gives authority to say the hadith.
Plus as a Muslim Shi3i I don't consider my book "Sahih" so we can accept or deny But you guys have the word "Sahih" which is very dangerous
@TheFazproductions Imam Ali (as) never fought against Abu Bakr (ra), Umar (ra) and Uthmaan (ra). He helped them and in our view this means he was their friend. In your view it was all taqiyyah. As for Muawiyah and Yazid they were wrong. As for your aqeeda you have no direct books by ahlul bayt. Your teaching comes from later 12er Shias. For example the very first book of your ahadith is al kafi. That is only 1/3 correct in your believes. This is source of your aqeeda.
Imam Ali is the first Muslim after Muhammad and nver worshiped anything but, Allah, and He married the Prophets only Daughter. He was from the Ahlulbait (which mean the family of the Prophet) so our Aqeeda is based on Imam Ali, which is based on Muhammad (PBUH), but your aqeeda is based on Yazeed, Muawya, Uthman, Omar, Abubaker, then Muhammad.
So Ya our Aqeeda is based to the one CLOSEST to prophet and the only sahabi that's considered from Ahlulbait.
@TheFazproductions You need to open up a dictionary and look up the term Qiyas. IF you continue to make a fool out of yourself then don't bother positing here. Ask any Arabic scholar, and they will tell you that Qiyas means analogy. As for Imam Jafar's (as) we know he is big scholar. I don't need a 12er to tell me that.
Second: Hanbali has a lot to do with Qiyas bcz the reason you believe in it is bcz of him, this is his system not YOURS you get it from him.
Third: I never claime it was Haram, Imam Jaffer Sadiq know better than you, me and Imam Hanbali, bcz Hanbali himself said that he's the best scholar of his time.
Qiyas has to do with Punishment and 7ukom, I dont know if you know what 7ukom means...but yo can do more research and see y it is good or nt good
@TheFazproductions Do you know what Qiyas means? It means analogy. Right now you and the dude Ammar has used it in his clip. As for Imam Hanibal he has nothing to do with the topic. If you say Qiyas is haraam then you are contradicting yourself since you just used it.
This truth has been like that for fourteen hund years.. I'm not using Qiyas The Nabi (PBUH) is giving US all of us the simlutude of Imam Ali to Harun. So you disbelief that Muhammad (PBUH) left behind a caliphait, and since I proved it to you. Now you want to argue Qiyas. Your no religous authority and neither am I, but Jaffar Sadiq (AS) (who taught all of the schools of thougt of Sunnah) Warned Imam hanbali not to use qiyaas on punishmentsand and 7ukom...
@TheFazproductions Yes, we can learn from each other. The shia benefit from Bukhari when they can use the Fadak ahadith to show that Bibi Fatima (sa) differed from the calipah. They can also use it to show Imam Ali (as) initially showed opposition to Calipate and considered himself more qualified. In Sahih Muslim it tells us follow the Quran and Ahlul Bayt. The Sunnis can benefit from Najh Al Balagha, and its Mutazilla commentary by Ibn Abil Hadeed.
DefendDeen 1 month ago
@DefendDeen
So we're in agreement I don't consider any book Sahih or infallible except the Quran
And We also have the same system which is a narration through a chain, and there are those who we accept their authority over others, bcs of their knowledge or creditability within the Islamic community at their time.anyways it's good to understand from each other (Sunni and Shi3i) cause in my opinion the difference is not as big as our similarities our Prayer,Fasting,Rasool,Zakat,Book, are the same
TheFazproductions 1 month ago
@TheFazproductions Yah I am aware of that. As for Sahih it is a term used when the everyone in the chain is known. Every scholar has their opinion on who is realiable. When you lots of chains with the same information and know narrators that is when the ahadith becomes sahih. Again sahih doesn't mean infallible. The only prefect book is the Quran. Imam Jafar (as) told the Muslims to smash any ahadith against the wall if its contradicts the Quran.This includes 'sahih' ahadith.
DefendDeen 1 month ago
@DefendDeen
wat do u mean direct books.we have writings of Imam Ali for examplebut if you're speaking about hadithwell all hadith came 300 years after the Prophet (PBUH) for example Bukary, Muslim and the others, came after You prbly didn't know that..but that's no prblm that they came this late, the problem is who Bukary gives authority to say the hadith.
Plus as a Muslim Shi3i I don't consider my book "Sahih" so we can accept or deny But you guys have the word "Sahih" which is very dangerous
TheFazproductions 1 month ago
@TheFazproductions Imam Ali (as) never fought against Abu Bakr (ra), Umar (ra) and Uthmaan (ra). He helped them and in our view this means he was their friend. In your view it was all taqiyyah. As for Muawiyah and Yazid they were wrong. As for your aqeeda you have no direct books by ahlul bayt. Your teaching comes from later 12er Shias. For example the very first book of your ahadith is al kafi. That is only 1/3 correct in your believes. This is source of your aqeeda.
DefendDeen 1 month ago
@Notgoingnowhere
Imam Ali is the first Muslim after Muhammad and nver worshiped anything but, Allah, and He married the Prophets only Daughter. He was from the Ahlulbait (which mean the family of the Prophet) so our Aqeeda is based on Imam Ali, which is based on Muhammad (PBUH), but your aqeeda is based on Yazeed, Muawya, Uthman, Omar, Abubaker, then Muhammad.
So Ya our Aqeeda is based to the one CLOSEST to prophet and the only sahabi that's considered from Ahlulbait.
TheFazproductions 1 month ago
@TheFazproductions You need to open up a dictionary and look up the term Qiyas. IF you continue to make a fool out of yourself then don't bother positing here. Ask any Arabic scholar, and they will tell you that Qiyas means analogy. As for Imam Jafar's (as) we know he is big scholar. I don't need a 12er to tell me that.
DefendDeen 1 month ago
@DefendDeen
First: Qiyas doesn't mean analogy,
Second: Hanbali has a lot to do with Qiyas bcz the reason you believe in it is bcz of him, this is his system not YOURS you get it from him.
Third: I never claime it was Haram, Imam Jaffer Sadiq know better than you, me and Imam Hanbali, bcz Hanbali himself said that he's the best scholar of his time.
Qiyas has to do with Punishment and 7ukom, I dont know if you know what 7ukom means...but yo can do more research and see y it is good or nt good
TheFazproductions 1 month ago
@TheFazproductions Do you know what Qiyas means? It means analogy. Right now you and the dude Ammar has used it in his clip. As for Imam Hanibal he has nothing to do with the topic. If you say Qiyas is haraam then you are contradicting yourself since you just used it.
DefendDeen 1 month ago
@DefendDeen
all of the sudden? lol
This truth has been like that for fourteen hund years.. I'm not using Qiyas The Nabi (PBUH) is giving US all of us the simlutude of Imam Ali to Harun. So you disbelief that Muhammad (PBUH) left behind a caliphait, and since I proved it to you. Now you want to argue Qiyas. Your no religous authority and neither am I, but Jaffar Sadiq (AS) (who taught all of the schools of thougt of Sunnah) Warned Imam hanbali not to use qiyaas on punishmentsand and 7ukom...
TheFazproductions 1 month ago