Paul Washer - Presuppositional Appologetics Q&A
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1Cor 2:1-5 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
crem004 3 months ago
The point is of course that the logic for to justify faith doesn't convince you when people of other faiths use the same argument.The Quran is a scripture. 2:14, interesting. The majestic view? I guess it depends which part of scripture u read. Sermon on the mount is inspiring. The genocide oft the canaanites isn't.
gejost 6 months ago
@WarrantedFaith and yeah, I have a couple friends that live up in Boone. Mountains are beautiful, I'm right off in the foothills.
PhatLarkin 7 months ago
@WarrantedFaith This conversation has been too muddled to carry on. I meant to say "You believe logic is not the only common ground needed" a few posts back. And my original post about the Koran was direct parody of this video. Except I used the word Koran where Paul Washer would put Bible.
Regardless of where you're coming from on the subject, several things Paul washer has said in this video are tragically stupid. For one, telling people to not even consider they're wrong. 5:07
Logic>Faith
PhatLarkin 7 months ago
@PhatLarkin PhatLarkin, on what basis do you even appeal to logic? How do you account for your belief in logical laws?
WarrantedFaith 7 months ago
@PhatLarkin Let me also remind you of the very first thing you said in this conversation:
"How do I know the Koran is the word of God? I have read it."
Hmmmm. Really? That's it? You just, *ahem*, read it, believe it, and therefore know that it's true?
The irony in our discussion is you are accusing me of the very errors which you have made, and refuse to take my position seriously enough to recognize that your accusations misrepresent it.
Forum link on my page if you want to discuss further.
WarrantedFaith 7 months ago
@WarrantedFaith "So the "common ground" of logic is not enough."
What other ground are you arguing from? If your argument is that the Christian worldview is the only worldview that accounts for logic, then the only common ground you need to argue on is logic. Because if your argument fails logically, then that's it. It has failed. And if someone elses argument is more correct logically, then that's it. There's no need for another ground, and no need for the extra title "prepositional"
PhatLarkin 7 months ago
@PhatLarkin And all you just did was re-state that you believe that there's no such thing as logic at all (See, I can play your game too). If you're going to continue making things up rather than interacting with the actual content of my explanations, then yes, you may as well find something better to do. QUOTE ME where I said that logic is not a common ground. QUOTE ME where I said that faith and emotion are grounds to argue from.
WarrantedFaith 7 months ago
@WarrantedFaith All you just did is re-state the prepositional method. That you believe logic is not a common ground. If you refuse to use logic as the common ground, then I have no willingness to talk to you. As logic and evidence isn't enough to sway you. And disagreeing that this prepositional apologetics is "intellectually rigorous" isn't being childish.
And who criticizes it? Other Apologists who know Faith and emotion proves nothing, and is not ground to argue from. :/
PhatLarkin 7 months ago
@PhatLarkin And no, nothing is a joke here except your own attempt at understanding my position. You are acting like a child. How about proving your willingness to engage in responsible and mature conversation by demonstrating that you can actually look into what the other side has to say, rather than just pontificating your own sentimental ideas about what you suppose they believe? I would invite you to start by reading something I threw together myself -> tl -dot- gd -backslash- btgse2
WarrantedFaith 7 months ago