Uploaded by kretincooper on Dec 27, 2011
What makes middle class kids in the Middle East and liberal nuts frustrated about the situation in Israel? Tariq Ali seems to think it's because of the West who does absolutley nothing about Israel. John O'Sullivan says it was because of American pressure that Israel offered many painful concessions which were rejected by Arafat. This is a great little debate, about four months after 911 on the CBC Counterspin. This is from my VHS archives converted to FLV. You'll hear a lot of talking points that the Ron Paul activists use for debates, not wanting Israel to exist because they consider it a colony that should become a multicultural Nation not a Jewish State. Can you imaging the killings by Islamic terrorists Hamas and Jiad if this occured? Clinton hoped to recreate the magic of Jimmy Carter's successful summit that helped bring about peace between Israel and Egypt. In that case, however, Carter had two willing partners. Anwar Sadat had already demonstrated to Israel that he was prepared to make peace and, when he accepted the compromises offered at Camp David, Menachem Begin agreed to give up the Sinai. Clinton found a different situation; Arafat had done little in the seven years since Oslo to convince Israelis he had given up his dream of destroying Israel. Nevertheless, Barak came prepared to offer the Palestinians independence and offered a series of formulations to resolve the major issues. Arafat not only rejected all of the American and Israeli ideas, he refused to offer any of his own. As a result, Clinton blamed the summit's failure on Arafat. Israel agreed to withdraw from 97% of the West Bank, 100% of the Gaza Strip, dismantle most of the settlements, and create a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. The only concessions Arafat had to make were to acknowledge Israeli sovereignty over the parts of the Western Wall religiously significant to Jews (that is, not the entire Temple Mount), and to agree to three early warning stations in the Jordan Valley, which Israel would withdraw from after six years. The Palestinian negotiators wanted to accept the deal, but Arafat rejected it. According to the principal U.S. peace negotiator, Dennis Ross, the critical issue was the clause in the agreement that said the conflict would now be over. Arafat, whose life has been governed by that conflict, Ross said, simply could not end it. A series of horrific terror attacks were carried out over the next several weeks including two gunmen opening fire on a bus stop, which killed two and wounded injured dozens more; suicide bombings in a pedestrian mall in Jerusalem and two others in Haifa; and a bomb and gunfire attack on a bus. After Israeli Minister of Tourism Rehavam Ze'evi was assassinated, and more than 30 other Israelis were murdered and several hundred were wounded, Israel's new Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, declared Arafat "irrelevant" and, on December 22, 2001, sent troops into his headquarters in Ramallah to confine him to his office. Sharon said that Arafat would remain isolated until the killers of Ze'evi were arrested and extradited to Israel. Arafat refused and appealed to the international community to pressure Israel to end its siege. The level of violence continued to escalate while Arafat ignored repeated warnings from the Bush Administration to take steps to prevent attacks against Israelis. By mid-2002, President Bush was convinced that Arafat was deeply involved in directing terror, and concluded that the only hope for achieving progress in the peace process was for the Palestinians to find a new leader. Not only the Americans had soured on Arafat. Palestinian youths became increasingly disillusioned by what they perceived as the plodding dictatorial and corrupt nature of the PLO, and Arafat's failure to deliver on his promise to liberate Palestine. Many of these Palestinians turned to the Muslim fundamentalist organizations, Islamic Jihad and Hamas, which never accepted the Oslo accords, and remained committed to the use of terror to drive the Israelis out of all of Palestine. My friends Ariel Sharon and George Bush tried hard for peace.
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lol,have you's seen the districts in israel.the orthodox have an area where if your christian,they mock and harass you,just for walking through-god forbid you have a camcorder for memories of your expensive trip there-cause you aint jew...
double standards.
SO MANY EXTREMISTS IN ISRAEL,BUT THEY ARE SUPPORTED BY THE WEST
extremist jews -we're gentile/golem. shove that belief up system up their ass
extremist islam- we're lost.we have to pay tax for not being muslim.lol more inbred retard tactics
seriouslywakeup 1 month ago
@ConservativeTimes , you are correct . israel needs to stop making like this garbage hamas is human !
martinhymanson 1 month ago
@martinhymanson After all, wasnt Jerusalem established as the capital of the Jewish people in 3000 bc? The word Palestine is a name given to the region by the Romans if I'm not mistaken. The land was foresaken pre 1948, the wealthy arab property owners of Beirut were only too happy to sell off the land to jews from around the world. Perhaps their beef should be with them? Funny how the more recent history gets lost..
ConservativeTimes 1 month ago
@critvalsky LOL, my friend you have some issues. That was a racist rant you went on. Our technology and resource consumption has gone a long way to help feed the world and liberate hundreds of millions from tyranny, white, black, brown and yellow. The world is a better place for it, wake up to the truth and it will set you free.. God Bless Israel and its alllies...God Bless The USA and Canada and UK
ConservativeTimes 1 month ago
palestinians don't have a country , because , they are their own worst enemy . the men hide behind humanshields , and run . instead of fight . israel has over forty kings in the past . please name one palestinian king . there never was a country called palestine . only a british mandate . that was jewish , muslim , and christian . the arabs rejected the partion in 1948 .
martinhymanson 2 months ago
The Palestiniens were notttttt there at the beginnning, Tha palestiniens were throw out of All Arabs country and Israel took them to help them and today they wants ewverything ??? Commmme onnnnn ! Palestinens are the problems and attack Israel !
MsGLULU 2 months ago
Ron Paul will take care of Israel.
InCMPunkWeTrust 2 months ago
This is a very good debate
mmanouvelles 2 months ago