Here, here - I have quickly found something that the NT Church did that Norm Fields and his C of C church have not done - the NT Church STOPPED being PHARISEES - Norm does not match!!
@naciamaJYute Your example in Hebrews says NOTHING concerning the observation of the Sabbath. It compares our promised rest (eternal) to the rest resembled in the Sabbath, as the Old Law was entirely a type/antitype scenario to help the Jews to better understand the New Law. That verse has NO example of practice and only mentions God resting on the seventh day. The disciples, as I have showed you many times, regularly gathered for worship on Sunday.
@naciamaJYute The "Sabbath" was not changed; We do not follow all of the commands of the Sabbath. The day of Worship was. The Sabbath is no longer part of worship, because the day of worship is Sunday and there are no commands concerning the Sabbath in the New Testament. The texts I quoted did state regality. Why would Paul ask for a collection on the first day of the week in a continuous grammatical sequence, implying taking a collection EVERY first day, if they were to meet on the Sabbath?
@knightd94 Listen. The burden of proof is not with me. From Genesis to the Revelation the Bible is replete with proof of the 7th day Sabbath, that's undeniable. You say it was changed by the apostles or Jesus, I say you prove it. So far you've quoted a bunch of texts saying that the disciples assembled together on Sunday. I'm sure they assembled on Monday as well.
There is no text where anyone explicitly says the sabbath was changed to Sunday. Heb 4:8,9 says the exact opposite
@naciamaJYute It was known that they could not keep the law, and that was used to show them why they needed Jesus as well as to understand the necessity of a blood sacrifice. You are simply continuing your pattern of jumping to a new topic, giving no backing for it, and then later returning to old topics ignoring all evidence I gave WITH scripture, opposed to your lack of scripture, for the falsehood of your previous claims.
@naciamaJYute That is totally irrelevant to the point that blood is required for a covenant and that there is a new covenant/testament. All you did was very loosely outline your interpretation of a somewhat misinformed plan of salvation. Also, it was God's plan from the beginning that Christ would come, not a last resort or reaction to the people's failures. The animal sacrifices/Jesus' sacrifice were a planned type/antitype. (1 Peter 1:19-21, 2 Tim 1:8-10)
@naciamaJYute 5. Therefore the old covenant operated thus: Gods 10 commandments pointed out your sin, thru faith in God's sacrifice represented by a slain Lamb pardon and redemption was gained. Meaning you were now a part of the family of God and thus an Heir, or inheritor. However you had to do this every time you sinned (i.e. daily). The Problem with this covenant was the people forsook God (i.e. broke the agreement of obedience)
3. Please note there was nothing wrong with the Law nor the Testament per say. The fault was with the people.
4. However we have a new and better covenant. Whereas the old required faith in God's sacrifice represented by a Lamb for one to inherit the testament (which many of them did not understand) the new covenant is established on Christ the true lamb. They repeatedly had to slay lambs and bulls to express their faith, for us Christ died once and all we have to do is believe.
@knightd94 Let me see if I can explain this briefly:
1. The old COVENANT was an agreement between God and Israel that if they kept His LAWs (which included the sacrifices) He would grant them His TESTAMENT (much like a father would to his son).
2. They did not keep their end of the bargain so there needed to be a new COVENANT. And this time it wasn't made with the Israelites specifically but to whosoever will. Jer 31:31-35.
This dude belongs in a RUBBER ROOM.
CaliSweatpea 3 months ago
Here, here - I have quickly found something that the NT Church did that Norm Fields and his C of C church have not done - the NT Church STOPPED being PHARISEES - Norm does not match!!
veritassword 7 months ago
@naciamaJYute Your example in Hebrews says NOTHING concerning the observation of the Sabbath. It compares our promised rest (eternal) to the rest resembled in the Sabbath, as the Old Law was entirely a type/antitype scenario to help the Jews to better understand the New Law. That verse has NO example of practice and only mentions God resting on the seventh day. The disciples, as I have showed you many times, regularly gathered for worship on Sunday.
knightd94 9 months ago
@naciamaJYute The "Sabbath" was not changed; We do not follow all of the commands of the Sabbath. The day of Worship was. The Sabbath is no longer part of worship, because the day of worship is Sunday and there are no commands concerning the Sabbath in the New Testament. The texts I quoted did state regality. Why would Paul ask for a collection on the first day of the week in a continuous grammatical sequence, implying taking a collection EVERY first day, if they were to meet on the Sabbath?
knightd94 9 months ago
@knightd94 Listen. The burden of proof is not with me. From Genesis to the Revelation the Bible is replete with proof of the 7th day Sabbath, that's undeniable. You say it was changed by the apostles or Jesus, I say you prove it. So far you've quoted a bunch of texts saying that the disciples assembled together on Sunday. I'm sure they assembled on Monday as well.
There is no text where anyone explicitly says the sabbath was changed to Sunday. Heb 4:8,9 says the exact opposite
naciamaJYute 9 months ago
@naciamaJYute It was known that they could not keep the law, and that was used to show them why they needed Jesus as well as to understand the necessity of a blood sacrifice. You are simply continuing your pattern of jumping to a new topic, giving no backing for it, and then later returning to old topics ignoring all evidence I gave WITH scripture, opposed to your lack of scripture, for the falsehood of your previous claims.
knightd94 9 months ago
@naciamaJYute That is totally irrelevant to the point that blood is required for a covenant and that there is a new covenant/testament. All you did was very loosely outline your interpretation of a somewhat misinformed plan of salvation. Also, it was God's plan from the beginning that Christ would come, not a last resort or reaction to the people's failures. The animal sacrifices/Jesus' sacrifice were a planned type/antitype. (1 Peter 1:19-21, 2 Tim 1:8-10)
knightd94 9 months ago
@naciamaJYute 5. Therefore the old covenant operated thus: Gods 10 commandments pointed out your sin, thru faith in God's sacrifice represented by a slain Lamb pardon and redemption was gained. Meaning you were now a part of the family of God and thus an Heir, or inheritor. However you had to do this every time you sinned (i.e. daily). The Problem with this covenant was the people forsook God (i.e. broke the agreement of obedience)
naciamaJYute 9 months ago
@naciamaJYute
3. Please note there was nothing wrong with the Law nor the Testament per say. The fault was with the people.
4. However we have a new and better covenant. Whereas the old required faith in God's sacrifice represented by a Lamb for one to inherit the testament (which many of them did not understand) the new covenant is established on Christ the true lamb. They repeatedly had to slay lambs and bulls to express their faith, for us Christ died once and all we have to do is believe.
naciamaJYute 9 months ago
@knightd94 Let me see if I can explain this briefly:
1. The old COVENANT was an agreement between God and Israel that if they kept His LAWs (which included the sacrifices) He would grant them His TESTAMENT (much like a father would to his son).
2. They did not keep their end of the bargain so there needed to be a new COVENANT. And this time it wasn't made with the Israelites specifically but to whosoever will. Jer 31:31-35.
naciamaJYute 9 months ago