Calvinism's Limited Atonement is Not True

a short discussion on limited atonement

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• Arminianism
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[musicprodave]

@junglehappiness Rom 5:18 "Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life."

Judgment upon ALL MEN Free gift upon ALL MEN..You cant say sin causes judgement on all men and then say that the free gift of justification is only limited to some!!!!! The text can't be broken up to fit into your theological system!

[musicprodave]

@junglehappiness 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world..

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[junglehappiness]

@musicprodave again thanks for reply. I disagree that one who commits idolatry cant be a true believer. Surely all sin involves idolatry + no believer claims to be sinless. I agree that there are different levels of Calvinists but if a persons views are extreme as to deny Calvinism, they are no longer Calvinist despite calling themselves one

Perhaps you could post a verse that flies in the face of limited atonement for discussion

A gracious dialogue may prove beneficial. Iron sharpens iron

[musicprodave]

@junglehappiness well, with respect, if you trust idolatry instead of God then you have turned from God and are placing your trust in false gods. Therefore you are not a believer is the true God. There are different levels of Calvinists. Some are so hyper that they believe stubbing their toe was ordained by God. The are so many passages that fly in the face of limited atonement that I find it absurd. As I said, I Consider Calvinists who are born again to be my brothers in Christ

[junglehappiness]

@musicprodave just to clarify, I wasn't using the phrase 'turn their backs' in the sense of a believer losing salvation, nor in rejecting God's election. I simply meant they committed idolatry

[junglehappiness]

@musicprodave thanks for reply. A Calvinist wouldnt argue that man has free will to choose from among idols. The Calvinistic understanding is that the will is only free to act within its nature. I cannot freely will myself to fly because my nature differs from that of a bird. Likewise my spiritual nature is sinful and so cannot choose spiritual life. But a sinful nature is still able to choose false gods, as in Joshua.

[musicprodave]

@junglehappiness listen again...I was refering to that passage relating to man having a free will in general. Many Calvinists believe that every detail of man's actions are directed with no free will whatsoever. If you want my paper on this topic e mail me and I will send it to you. Besides my freind, Calvinists do not believe a true believer can "turn their back on the true God"

[junglehappiness]

Apparently, "choose today who you will serve" demonstrates a free will to choose God! Urrr, might want to read that one again. Joshua is asking the people which of the false gods they are going to serve given that they had turned their back on the true god

[musicprodave]

@polopowers1 Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one, judgment to condemnation came upon all men, even so by the righteousness of One, the free gift unto justification of life came upon all men.

Judgment upon ALL MEN Free gift upon ALL MEN..You cant say sin causes judgement on all men and then say that the free gift of justification is only limited to some!!!!! The text can't be broken up to fit into your theological system!

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