Hagin plagiarizing Kenyon

Response to comment about Kenneth Hagian plagiarizing E.W. Kenyon

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[memrmethatsokey]

Kenyon says Jesus became a sinner hanging on the cross while the bible sayd he bore our sin there also that he suffered in hell but he was in the grave but in the spirit preached

to the peoble in hell from noas days

[goyomarquez]

I'm not really sure there is a distinction between bearing our sins and becoming a sinner but the Bible does say:

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Corinthians 5:21, KJV.

[memrmethatsokey]

was Jesus only human on the cross and not the word of God no more? was Jesus the like the second Adam hanging on the cross tasting death so that we could get live? thank you brother and forgive me for hanging kenyon out

today i believe him

[goyomarquez]

No Jesus wasn't "only" human on the cross, he was still God manifested on the flesh, but he was a real human not just a pretend human. He wasn't God just prentending to be a man he was a true man. That's what makes it a little hard to understand. So when in doubt I just stick to what the Bible says not to what theology says. The Bible says he was made sin for us.

[TheBereangirl]

@goyomarquez metonymy is a figure of speech which is used in this verse, that means,"made to be sin" is understood to mean,"made to be a sin offering" in this context. Jesus' death on the cross was fullfillment of the OT sin offering which had to be spotless & w/out blemish, aka w/out sin. Please look this up for yourself. Jesus was an acceptable sinless offering unto God, not satan for our sin, God is offended by our sin, not satan. Innocent blood shed for the guilty that is the whole idea

[goyomarquez]

@TheBereangirl

How did you determine that Paul is using metonymy? Did you use a metonymy-o-meter?

What you mean to say is that your theological assumptions overrule the plain meaning of the scripture. It must be a metonymy to line up with your theological assumptions. Perhaps it's the plain meaning than is correct and your theological assumptions which are wrong.

[SkeeterN]

One thing I really liked about Rev. Hagin was that before he died he tried to correct some of the misguided prosperity teachers and their teachings as not lining up with the bible. I just wish most of them would have listened to him. I didn't agree with all of Rev. Hagin's teachings but I have no doubt he is with the Lord today and his teachings on faith have helped many (including me).

[TheBereangirl]

@goyomarquez typical w.o.f. belittlement. The Bible is to be understood literally, but when a statement appears to contradict known fact or the gen. teaching of truth, then we can expect that a figure of speech is present. In this case the OT teaches that sacrifices to God must be w/out blemish, aka sin. If Jesus became sin, or even satan's nature, this opposes the truth of the OT sin offering which is required to be w/out blemish or sin. You didn't research it like I asked nicely you just mock.

[SuperHazard2]

yes thats because he settled out of court

[SkeeterN]

Kenyon had some great revelation. I really don't care so much Hagin copied as there have been others as well. The important thing is the revelation of bible knowledge is being taught to people and people such as myself have been blessed by it. I was just surprised when I first saw it in the early 80's as I thought this was a new revelation by Hagin but it actually was from Kenyon. No big deal for me as long as people are blessed just give God the honor.

[SkeeterN]

I think the Kenyon society does not want to delve into this issue as how does it advance the christian faith. Hagin copied. I knew it years before it became an issue as I read just about all the books Hagin wrote and all the books Kenyon has published. If Hagin used the material and writings and it helped some people than I am sure the attitude is like the Apostle Paul who talked of those who preached the gospel out of pure motives and those who didn't. He was glad to see the gospel preached

[MarquezGreg]

The point of accusing Hagin of plagiarism is to attack his integrity. To pass off others work as your own is dishonest. The fact that E.W. Keyon's publishing company doesn't think it's plagiarism speaks directly to the integrity issue. If they thought Hagin was trying to pass of Kenyon's work as his own they would say something about it. The fact is they think Hagin had no intent to plagiarize, which completely undermines the attacks on Hagin's integrity. The issue is the intent.

[SkeeterN]

I read many books by Kenneth Hagin and then later by EW Kenyon. Hagin absolutely copied Kenyon many times word for word and sentence for sentence. There is no denying it the facts are there for all to look and compare. The fact the Kenyon Society is being nice about it is to their credit. But he copied and I knew it well before it came out later as I saw it too in reading both of their books.

[7200abc]

E.W. Kenyon ROCKS.... man the Gospel is clear and straight up in his teachings... Praise God for Kenyon... I just wish there were more teachers along his line of teaching.