Field eXpedients: No U.S. Ammo? SKS Vulture Gun 7.62 BackUp

U.S. Running out of Ammo

Lost Battles: Wake Island, 1941 Bataan, Corregidor, 1942

Lost Unit: 101st @ Hue City during Tet, 1968

Lost War: Cuba; Bay of Pigs, 1961

http://www.combatreform.org/airbornebayofpigs.htm

So don't give me this crap that we don't run out of ammo when we do.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/3042557/French-troo...

French troops 'ran out of ammunition' in Afghanistan

Ten French Soldiers killed by Taliban fighters last month in Afghanistan were woefully ill-equipped, according to a report citing a classified Nato document.

http://inteldump.powerblogs.com/posts/1203696668.shtml

Presidential candidate Barack Obama:

"They were actually capturing Taliban weapons because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief."

Former Army officer Phil Carter verifies it:

"I talked this morning with two friends who led rifle platoons in Afghanistan. Both confirmed to me that they did, at times, use captured or found weapons or ammunition. One relayed the story of mounting a Soviet 12.7mm heavy machine gun (the equivalent of a U.S. .50 caliber machine gun) on his HMMWV because it was too difficult to get the spare parts needed to fix their G.I. (government issue) .50 cal. Another told me his platoon carried AKs anytime they patrolled with their Afghan counterparts, and that it was always much easier to get 7.62mm ammo for the AKs than to go through the U.S. bureaucracy for ammunition requisition. These stories are timeless; you'll see similar ones in the narratives from WWII, Korea and Vietnam vets too. Anyone who's dealt with the Army supply system -- particularly at the pointy end of the spear -- ought to be able to sympathize."

http://www.combatreform.org/thunderrun.htm

You can collect far more ammo from dead enemy Soldiers and their caches than you could ever carry in your vehicle--even a M113 Gavin towing a trailer---having a small folding stock enemy weapon under your Gavin bench seat or strapped or on a firing rack to the outside doesn't bump any space for American ammo.

While you can SAY you will then pick-up enemy weapons and ammo and shoot using them; the facts are they are not battlesight zeroed (BZOed) to you and you haven't practiced firing them. The video below shows what its like to fire a Russian design SKS for the first time without working out the details and stuck with a stock without a pistol grip to compensate for recoil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3oVXDB2_Gs

Result of a bunch of Soldiers grabbing enemy weapons unfamiliar to them will be likely will be spray 'n pray.

Why not use all those captured Russian and Chinese-made weapons we already have and modernize them and zero them to every Soldier to be their back-up "PLAN B" weapon--a "Vulture Gun" that uses enemy ammo against them--in event resupply doesn't get through on the unpredictable Non-Linear Battlefield (NLB)?

http://www.combatreform.org/TRANSFORMATIONUNDERFIRE/thunderrun.htm

Take the Russian Simonov's SKS that shoots the AKM 7.62mm x 39mm Short Soviet cartridge;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x39

it can load from either detachable box magazines from below or from top-mounted 10-round stripper clips....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEOeRTo_YNg

SKS stripper clip reload CGI: great except bolt locks to rear when magazine is emptied

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iVqEaVYyE

...in this video a Yugoslav 59 SKS with a BLACK (TAN CAMO is available at higher cost) Advanced Technology Inc. (ATI)

http://www.ATIgunstocks.com
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fixed or folding pistol grip (has storage compartment) stock with quick-detachable sling and TAPCO TAN 20-round "duckbill" magazine will be demonstrated.

What do you do in the middle of a firefight and your captured AKMs have no more loaded magazines with which to shoot?

SKS Vulture Gun
STOP firing time: 10 seconds to load 10-rounds from stripper clip; remove empty stripper clip, retract and release bolt; continue firing

No stripper clip guide to lose, no magazines to lose if you keep one in weapon at all times...

10 rounds of firepower after every 10 seconds of no-fire, reloading...

M16/M4/AKM
STOP firing time: 60 seconds to find empty magazine; hold it; attach stripper clip guide; insert 3 x 10-round stripper clips and press down 3x; detach 3 stripper clips; detach guide; insert magazine back into weapon; hit top of bolt catch (or retract & release AKM bolt handle); continue firing...

30 rounds of firepower after every 1 minute of no-firing, reloading

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[ThunderousTitan]

Hmmm....Running out of ammo....?

Isn't that why you send up an ADREP after every firefight requesting ammo to fill your 10-15 30-rnd magazines?

What's that? You're American? I'm so sorry.

[dynmicpara]

@ThunderousTitan You seem to sense it: we Americans use firepower as a shield because we are on foot and too stupid to have actual shielding from tracked armored vehicles (tanks) and consequently use too much ammo.

[dynmicpara]

American G.I. in WW2 were not insufferable weak egomaniacs like idiots who post comments here that get DELETED; they used ENEMY WEAPONS without their penises falling off...

watch?v=FJKXF9WtebA

[Jeenyus1983]

I think Obama actually made a valid point for once(according to the info box) if your going to be able to obtain ammo from the enemy-I'd like to think weapons of same caliber would be sittin right there too...-to me this is a much better plan because it would be compatible with any weapon system that one would come across... I'm not trying to be a ass here-but this idea would be a absolute logistical nightmare!

[dynmicpara]

True and false, the whole POINT of being able to shoot enemy ammo is to use their logistics against him when our logistics fails, which it does routinely. The nightmare is to be a lazy weak ego American who refuses to plan ahead.

[AnonTbomb]

So....you're supposed to carry two rifles on yourself, in case you run out of ammo for one?

cant you just like.....use one rifle, and carry more ammo for it?

[BurroBurrito1]

we train our soldiers on foreign weapons, and what to do if out of ammo, we dont need to adopt shit.

[tfoshohoe]

@SuperleggeraVW I love it i want one

[campcomp00]

if ammo isn't supplied or the frinkin thing jams enough that you get sick of it.

[Grubbernaut]

@themanfromwyoming Leaving springs loaded doesn't weaken them, repeatedly compressing and decompressing does; leave all of your mags loaded.

[SacoreyRugger]

@dynmicpara the instruction manual for most russian weapons fits on one side of a 8x11.5 peice of paper, and generally doesnt need words, anyone that can opperate an m16 can figure out an ak relatively quickly*

*yes im sure there are instances where that isnt true, but there will generally be someone to explain it

[SuperleggeraVW]

If you like the SKS check out the VZ-58. It looks like an AK but has many advantages over the AK. It uses different magazines then the AK47 but they look the same (banana mags) and like the SKS can be fed with stripper clips.

The VZ-58 is almost a merge of the AK and SKS and is considered by most superior to both.