Stefan Molyneux debating Michael Badnarik, Opening Rebuttal

Full audio of the debate available at http://fdrurl.com/phillydebate .
Debate at Drexel University, 2009. "How Much Government is Necessary?"
First rebuttal of the minarchist position by Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio. More of the debate can be posted if people are interested.

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• libertarian
• philosophy
• objectivist
• freedom
• anarchy
• pacifism
• objectivism
• conservative
• liberal
• democrat
• statism

[razoorsharp]

Stef uses a slippery slope argument with the mohawks. the people should controle the government no t the other way around this is only done in democracy. monopolies will grow in a non state world. no job no work no life you die! there is no law to protect property because there would be no one to uphold it. there are no more laws for patents or plagiarism or anything. now not the government can violate you... everyone can!

[stefbot]

That is an ignorant argument, and shows no knowledge of how a stateless society will actually work - It is just an argument from paranoia, like saying that if the government does not force children into state schools, nobody will end up being educated...

[ashane77]

I used to be a minarchist until seriously looking into ararchy...just can't argue w/the reasoning, logic, and history.

Hope more of the debate is added here on YouTube.

[stefbot]

it's up, i'll post it as a video response here...

[phootie]

Rule #1 of a formal debate:

Don't attempt to disguise your obvious anxiety and show that you are 'down with the kids' by walking around the podium.

[stefbot]

That is very interesting, I was actually having a very enjoyable time, but perhaps you can send me a message showing me videos of you doing a much better job, and I can hope to learn by your example... :)

[fabianstraregy]

I love this guys concepts and ideas and his fearlessness and him . And I ain't gay either .

[AustereAustrian]

@stefbot Don't worry about phootie Stef, he doesn't know what he's talking about! I have to say, Murray Rothbard may have brought me over to the anarchist way of thinking, but you definitely removed all doubts for me!

[JohnBabiuk]

@stefbot lol. So what he just said is "When debating about Anarchist Philosophy always follow a specific predetermined set of rules. Creativity in your presentation method is unacceptable. Confirm or be dismissed."

Maybe I'm off, but I found that comment hilarious.

[ashane77]

@razoorsharp

What a ridiculous non-argument!

[ashane77]

@phootie

What a douchebag reply...

[1717jbs]

@ashane77- Me too. This is an extremely powerful argument. I have to agree with Stefan. I too was a libertarian. Not so much any more. Mike's argument for minarchism just adds to the argument for anarchism. This wa an eye opener for me. I think a lot of people equate anarchism with chaos, lawlessness and debauchery, etc. I am convinced that true freedom can only be achieved through anarchism.

[Oyaji291]

Almost all of these principles against human propensity for power and corruption and the danger of failure applies as easily to anarchy as it does to minarchism. I cannot believe you honestly expect me to buy this notion against scare tactics and scare stories, but then launch immediately into this same idea that you so often do. Why not take the utopian ideal of minarchy and pit it against the utopian ideal of minarchy, and not judge them based on the potential deviations?

[RDpapichulo]

TO become an anarchist you would have to give up the idea of property, because you will always have to keep moving their home because a government will always be on their tale stealing their land kicking them out.

[timHYPERLITE]

@razoorsharp THATS WRONG,im no way a stefbot convert but,the point is commercal monopolies grow only when there is a need for them,if people want to all get theyre bread from one company then they will,if people dont want that then another company will start and be successful,BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOVERMENT TO STOP OR REGULATE THE NEW COMPANY!.your fear of no goverment is the thing that has been fed to you by goverment,so it can grow more and get to its now bloated state.

[toluca56]

@tridentmovies It's difficult to respond and make oneself clear with Youtube's 500-character limitations. At any rate, thanks for the reply. I believe we are fundamentally in agreement.