Forgiveness: Jesus vs Behavioral Science

If you are interested in reading the dialogue, here is the link:
http://unseenstrings.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/atheist-admits-jesus-was-right/

For reference you may be interested in reading the free e-Books that have links provided below.

Crime /by Clarence Darrow (1857-1938):

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12027/12027-h.zip

(also found in PDF format at http://facts4u.com/Crime.pdf)

& The System of Nature /(pub. 1868) by Baron dHolbach (2 parts):

http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/holbach/

The following page seems to be a good source for free ebooks:
:
http://facts4u.com/free/

Thank you for your attention in this important matter.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Social
• Science
• Crime
• Criminals
• Darrow
• d'Holbach
• Jesus
• Religion
• Atheism
• Free
• Will
• Moral
• Responsibility

[AntiCitizenX]

I wonder what you would think about my "Morality Debunked" video.  There are a lot of parallel themes.

[unseenstrings]

I subscribed to your channel. Need I say more?

[exDeathex]

This is another really awesome video. I have a question though. You might have answered it here below. To look at things from a buddhistic perspective, we should all remain extremely present. Be watchers in our own mind and not live in psychological time. I guess as you mentioned this can help for that introspective reality. That when more people realise this, we can be well on our way to making this rollercoaster ride a really awesome one. We should know what we're doing, become conscious!

[unseenstrings]

Well, we are conscious. Lots of animals are conscious. But the irony of the matter is what we call consciousness is really a state of being unconscious of more than what we are conscious of. We are quite oblivious of a lot of the sensory input being received by our sense organs and sent to the brain. We are quite oblivious of most of the processes going on inside the organ we call "our brain." I think the word used by Buddhists is more fitting: AWARENESS. We should strive to increase awareness.

[forger42]

I agree that free willl is an illusion. But what I find a little difficult about the whole notion is, does it really matter? Whether humanity as a whole believes in free will or not, would we really act any different? We would still lock away criminals to protect the rest of the populace even if the criminal himself wasn't strictly the only one to blame for whatever act he comitted.

I'm just curious...Intellectually I can see how it's an illusion, but what does it matter?

[unseenstrings]

Yes knowing the fact that free will is an illusion is awareness necessary to understanding life and how to function. Watch my Dear Robin: An Open Letter video. People need to quit beating their kids as punishment and instead step back and take a look at the big picture. Kids need correction (behavior modification) not punishment (inflict pain for misdeeds). And behavioral science can give us an idea of how children should be corrected. Besides understanding causality makes introspection possible

[unseenstrings]

Yes, I too find it sadly ironic that atheists continue to believe the religious Dogma of Free Will even after they loose their belief in a god. Also, in regard to another comment you made: Have you ever heard of the Jesus Seminar? Plus, the teaching of Jesus were written down so long after his death that some of them may have been lost and some of them may have been memes started by other individuals. Also, note how the teachings allow the Jews to adapt/conform to living under Roman subjugation.

[unseenstrings]

Have you ever heard of the Jefferson Bible? Anyway, a 1999 survey found 746 Reformed denominations. I suspect they don't see eye to eye on Bible interpretations. In fact, over the years I've noticed so much dispute within various churches that another church was formed as a result of the disagreement. Even couples sometimes separate and/or divorce as a result of religious disagreement. My experience has made me become much like George Carlin expressed in his routine titled Religion (casUr9UsabY)

[Rybot9000]

lol, well then he was completely deficient for thinking the All itself to be deficient.

I don't believe any sect, even the Reform church fully understands Jesus. Their interpretation is far too pie-in-the-sky, irrational. But atleast they got the Free-Will part correct.

[unseenstrings]

My mother was from the Pentecostal Religious Tradition. When I was around 30, she married to W.E. Smith, who had been a Jehovah's Witness. Before his death at the age of 77 I had a long talk with "Smitty." Seems some of his Jehovah's Witness's beliefs blended with the dogma preached at the Ochlockonee Christian Center. Smitty didn't believe a loving God would create a Hell for people to suffer eternally. And Smitty believed Satan was guilty of creating circumstances that caused people to error.