These Brave Irishmen

The chareg of the Irish Brigade at Fredricksburg.

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• civilwar
• Irish
• war

[tonychristopherful]

There are some Fucks on this... If you dony know what yourtalking about ,dont say a fucking word...Im from Dublin.Ive served in 2 Armies for a num of years.I dont know what happened over there at Fredricksberg ,but Im proud to be a true Irish man.The first time I set foot on the ground it was Irish soil.

[AGoodOldRebel]

@lebarnomi1 Because A: That is how they had fought for 200 years. B: This was the first battle on the Virginia Front where they attacked prepared Field Entrenchments. Very good observation. This was the first Modern war and technology was accelerating. the rifled musket looked the same as the musket, but it fired faster and was far more accurate and long ranged. But the tactics and doctrine were the same. Technology had outrun Tactics. And the result was Americas bloodiest War.

[tonychristopherful]

lads get a fucking life, talking aload of shite about things that yous dont have a fucking cue about.I dont know anything about this and to be honest I couldnt give two flying fucks either.

[Evocati2008]

@tonychristopherful

well, learn history, these Irish AMERICANS charged bravely, leading Fremantle to say that not even the irish at fourtenoy surpassed these brave lads. your comment about "true" irish is ignorant but ok, because all the irish here in america that i know are even prouder to be irish-american than irish. It's because of thier sacrifice and distinction that helped build this country. Something new and thiers.

[borledx]

@Azog150 "Just because one is born in a stable doesn't make him a horse" I believe that or something very similar was Wellingtons retort to be called Irish. Those Anglo-Irishmen as they were called were simply in Ireland to either administrate or enforce London's rule and to leech every ounce of blood, sweat & tears from the "natives" whenever & wherever possible. They never really considered themselves Irish.

[Azog150]

@borledx

You are probably right, especially as far as the Catholic majority of Ireland was concerned. Maybe not so much the case for the Protestant Anglo-Irish minority however. There were many prominent Anglo-Irishmen in Britain, the Duke of Wellington being the most relevant example.

[borledx]

@Azog150 I wont dispute your figures as I haven't researched it thoroughly. What I would dispute is that while Ireland was technically part of the UK, its people were never really viewed as British(which is only an 18th century concept anyway), a ruse by the English to convince the other members of the UK they were equals.  A ruse that i may add has never fooled the people of Ireland who have always retained their distinct identity. Id argue the Irish were very much considered foreign

[Azog150]

@borledx

Actually of the 747,630 men who fought in the British Army between 1792-1815, about 159,000 were Irish. That is closer to 20%- still a significant proportion but no where near the 40% mark that's often cited.

It wasn't until later on in the century around the 1860's that the proportion moved closer to 40% mark.

Also worth pointing out that for much of the British Empire, Ireland was a fully integrated part of the UK and they were not really considered 'foreign' soldiers.

[borledx]

@Azog150 An estimated 40% of all British soldiers during the Napoleonic wars were Irish. Not to mention the fact that of all the foreign soldiers who ever fought for the British Empire, the Irish won more Victoria Crosses than any other nationality. If we could have only stayed out of the pub, we'd have ruled the world, LOL

[Azog150]

@TheWet88

Stonewall Jackson was born and raised in America. wouldn't that make him American?

[Azog150]

@OXHB599

Not to mention many Irishmen didn't have much a choice in the matter. They were recruited straight off the boats and 'No' wasn't taken as an answer

[Azog150]

@OXHB599

The British Army itself had a great number of Irishmen