Father Barron on The New Atheists

Another part of a video series from Wordonfire.org. Father Barron will be commenting on subjects from modern day culture.

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[Mrmentalmadness123]

Undoubtedly atheists are far less tolerant of religions than perhaps ther were decades ago. Religion was stronger in those times. I think it is condescending to say to atheists their non-belief is really belief disguised. I an atheist after lots of reflection and discourse and discussion. I have not entered into this lightly and I do not say God doesn't exist merely that I see no evidence of it. I would not say to you that your beliefs are a function of the fact that you don't believe really!

[GordonSou]

@sciencelives2000 No discomfort here. I appreciate the opportunity which you have given me to demonstrate how empty your position is. Not so much personally (although if this has helped you that is good) but ideologically, philosophically, theologically and from a good old "common sense" perspective. If I was reading these comments I would be asking myself - Why doesn't he (you) respond to the issues - they are not difficult?

[sciencelives2000]

@GordonSou I fully understand how frustrating all of this must be to a supernaturalist. You have my condolences on your discomfort.

[GordonSou]

@GordonSou this out to you instead of taking the opportunity to disabuse yourself of your ignorance you respond with more emotional waffle and are silly enough to invite us to join in more of your deluded prejudices with the old, tired chestnut - the inquisition. Anyone that does seriously take you up on looking into this will see just how shallow your history is, never mind your religious understanding.

[GordonSou]

@sciencelives2000 After all these exchanges you still have not responded to any of my points or questions regarding your silly comment on 1.2bn Hindus; your moral hypocrisy regarding the world's poor or how you stand with the many religious scientists in the world.

Your only attempt to extricate yourself from compulsive waffle is to give a distorted report on Aquinas; Summa and demonstrate your ignorance of and pathological prejudice against the Catholic faith. When I point.

[sciencelives2000]

@GordonSou Such sophistry! Such historical revisionism! For anyone interested, I'd urge Googling one word: INQUISITION. Supernaturalists enjoy taking credit for what they consider "good stuff" in history, but defend the "bad stuff" by saying that no supernaturalist would do that today. Oh, by the way, I'm certainly pleased that you wouldn't advocate torture and execution for apostates and heretics today. Is that progress, or what!?! :-)

[GordonSou]

@GordonSou (3) are not doctrine. Error is not heresy.  There have been two official catechisms in the 2 milennia history of the Church - The Roman Catechism published in the 16th century and the 1992 CCC. Get a copy of each, look up error and heresy in both and learn what you are criticizing before sharing your confusion in public. Try being honest - are you seriously suggesting any Christian believes heretics should be subjected to criminal penalties?

[GordonSou]

@GordonSou (2) with death penalties because of the unhappy closeness of Church and State which no Catholic defends today. You ignore the reality stated that theft attracted the death penallty i.e. the historical setting.Incarnational Church means it is sometimes historically condtioned.

More to the point it seems you are "recovering" from your misunderstanding of the Catholic Church and its Magisterium. Theological opinion does not represent the Deposit of Faith - Aquinas" views ...

[GordonSou]

@sciencelives2000 What is petulant about expecting a response? Callling my comments inane is not a response. What precisely are you doing for the millions of suffering in your cosy suburb while thousands of dedicated Christians are in the front line with them?

For any others interested the reference to the Summa is IIaIIae,q11a.3. Your quote is selective - making no reference to the call to tolerance, welcoming the repentant and the fact that the civil authoritiies dealt

[sciencelives2000]

@GordonSou Your petulant demand for my response to your inane assertions displays your arrogance. Nonetheless, because you obviously don't know Aquinas very well, I will supply you with the reference. He is quite clear. A recovering Catholic, like myself, who denies the "doctrines" of the Church is declared a heretic. Heretics "deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death."Aquin.: SMT SS Q[11] A[3] Body Para. 1/2.