9/11 truther lies debunked by truthers #1: Seismic spikes

911research.wtc7.net agrees that there were no seismic spikes prior to the collapse of the towers.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/demolition/seismic.html#spikes_claim

"In the article that first claimed that a "huge seismic 'spike'" marked the beginning of each "collapse", Bollyn also asserted that the signals were "strange", "unusual", "unexplained", and support a theory that "massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses." However, none of these assertions are supported by the scientists at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory that Bollyn interviewed."

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[Aurinkohirvi]

This video means, this guy cannot read seismic data.

The buildings did not fall 20 seconds. That's 100% longer than the video evidence shows. So obviously the seismic data does not show only the collapse!

[sorienor]

@Aurinkohirvi Video evidence is inconclusive due to smoke and debris.

This is a situation that you have already determined the answer before looking at any evidence.

[Aurinkohirvi]

@sorienor

Well, look at this signal on the video! Do the high signals last for 20 seconds? No, they don't! To me it looks like 10 seconds. And, NIST agrees.

NCSTAR 1-9, Appendix B, oage 664, table B-2

WTC 2 collapse: signal 10 seconds, plus minus 1 second.

WTC 1 collapse: signal 9 seconds, plus minus 1 second.

Yeah, there were "things moving" about 20 seconds. But the "things" are really small signals compared to the big signals.

[sorienor]

@Aurinkohirvi NIST is wrong. Video evidence has the tower collapses having an actual complete time of between 23-28 seconds. The last 40 floors of the core stood for a while before finally falling over.

[Ahlywog]

That does not mean that there are not highly credible points of view presented by members of the movement that refute the official story. That is the point of 911research and other such groups.

As for no spikes meaning no explosives: I'm not saying you're wrong but how powerful would the explosions need to be to register? Especially compared to a few hundred thousand tons of concrete and steel collapsing?

[sorienor]

@Ahlywog There isn't as much data on that as I would like. But it's The PEPCON explosion near Vegas registered between 3 and 3.5 on the Richter scale.

[Bluetooht]

when an insider say's it's an inside job I always agree with them.

This is how I respond to them.

You're absolutely right it was an inside job, The terrorists were INSIDE the planes then they went INSIDE the towers and pentagon when they crashed into them. You can't get more inside than that.

[batmangreen]

I think what he's trying to say is that he will always believe in his little theory. No matter how much evidence and facts refute it.

9/11 Truthers are dedicated. They're not very bright or good at checking facts but they're dedicated I'll give them that

[Aurinkohirvi]

@sorienor

I haven't seen last 40 floors standing until collapsing laster (got a link?), but I have seen some of the steel pillars were left standing. Which begs question how did they survive while others did not.

You know, the seismic data was recorded by six stations. I've looked at them curves from the NIST reports. The big curves last about 10 seconds. NIST says the signal is generated when the debris hits the ground. This would mean the major collapse happened during the about 9 seconds

[cheerdiver]

Granite(bedrock) 72% Si2O2, 15% Al2O3, + Fission energy = Zeolite (aluminumsilicate)used to repress radiation at Chernobyl and Fukushima.

Laser enrichment is a resource efficient method to almost eliminate nuclear blast radiation.

Creates p-waves below human hearing, but it show on seismic data.

Hurricane Erin was off NY that day, the perps were hoping it would wash away the aluminasilicate dust and cool the fire pits left in the nuclear demolitions wake.

Memorial pools will have high deuterium.

[theBartone9119]

@Ahlywog You can say it a million times, it will never be true unless you have evidence, which you don't, and never will.

[Ahlywog]

@kushsmokkeralt That is a clear sign of a commercial CD, sure. This clearly wasn't a commercial CD. Controlled demolition simply means the building was destroyed intentionally, not due to otherwise uncontrolled events.