Science and Spirituality

response to Jill Bolte Taylor's TED presentation...

http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229

Category:

Science & Technology

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• jill
• bolte
• taylor
• neuroscience
• spirituality
• mystical
• experience
• lsd
• psilocybin
• science
• ted

[MellumFellum]

The idea that mental phenomena simply do not in any way exist is unscientific. In this sense, such naive materialism is indeed a metaphysical view that has no basis in empiricism (i.e., experience). However, the idea that mental phenomena only relate to a "substance", rather than an abstraction, in physical systems like brains and computer hardware, is well-attested by science. Minds are not a "thing", either in a monistic or in a dualistic and "spirit-filled" world. They are abstract processes.

[redliterocket4]

I agree, though I would just reverse something you said at the very end. Though it is definitely processual, I do not think the mind is the abstraction. Rather, I think what we call the objective material world is the abstraction.

[aGniOmDe]

he said: "affinity BETWEEN science and spirituality"

affinity: (noun) inherent likeness or agreement; close resemblance or connection.

[gnosisoneness]

The problem with physical science is that it ignores the mind. Neuroscience describes the brain but not the mind. Neuroscience comes thru our outer five senses and the mind is experienced internally. The mind is both the observer and the observed whereas physical science is the observed. Most peoples concept of the world is in terms of our outer world then we used outer world metaphors to describe our inner world.

[ghfjtuflhg]

Thus albert pike was correct some people deserve to be manipulated..

[Alphadestrious]

Energy is not created nor destroyed, it is infinite. Where can this emanate from? Why are all these laws perfectly fine tuned? There are micro and macro processes that happen all around us and the universe but how can this all be? Science in this aspect can answer how the laws of nature work and what have you. But why?

[Alphadestrious]

@ArkBlacksword

Chill out, no one is bashing science here. Spirituality and science go hand in hand. Yes science is correct and has proven many things I am not bashing that, but only in the sense of what is tangible and quantified. There are limitations in science, and when quantum physics is explained, science goes back to spirituality. Holographic universes, things being at many places at once, multiple dimensions, etc.

[janewoosd]

dmt ..

[janewoosd]

dmt

[ArkBlacksword]

You speak like you need a neuroscientist to evaluate if you got a stroke...

Also, I've seen people with "dead" left emisphere, and it doesn't blur any line, it fucks up their capacities even worse than your speaking is killing my desire to live....

The anti-scientific thing about spirituality is that it cannot be proven, measured, demostrated, etc....

You have NO idea of what you are saying, please go read books of neuroscience, the mind, psychology, social psychology and perception.

[joshuatreeboyeee]

@andrewsacht I agree with you completely, all we have is perception. But this does not make the task of objectivity a futile one - We're more than capable of codifying information to standards that (as best we can) are cleansed of ambiguous meaning. Don't want to sound like I'm advocating the abolition of poetry or anything. But the most classic example of this is Aristotle's work on logic. Don't you agree?

[andrewsacht]

@joshuatreeboyeee The difficulty is that it is impossible to transcend the boundaries of human perception.