I was working on a flat tax proposal...

...and I accidentally proved there's no God.

Re: Two Powerful Arguments for God
This is in response to this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j89pbNDdj44

Specifically, the first argument, or the "zero probability" argument.

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[carina25031986]

I love the music. Where did you get that from?

[somecomputergeek]

I made it myself. It's actually the same music I used for my "Who created God?" movie. I'm glad you like it.

[lifeandwater]

If the number of universes was infinite.

(I do not claim to grasp infinity)

And they where all randomly composed.

Would there not have been an infinite number of people with the same DNA than us, living their life to the exact detail that we do, an infinite times?

The movie, and its comment field be repeated an infinite number of times? That makes my head wobble.

Or am I wrong on that?

[somecomputergeek]

Well, if the theory of quantum flux/alternate universes is correct, every conceivable probability occurs in it's respective universe, and every instance of time branches out into an exponential number of alternatives.

However, I was incorrect in one respect here. I said "infinite number of universes", but I now realize that this is different from an infinite number of POSSIBLE universes.

In this respect, his "argument" is potentially valid.

[Flyborg]

Haha, at the beginning I thought you were making fun of his argument.. but then I realized that you had just stated it, and hadn't started making fun of it yet. :D

[TheMathGuy]

The creationist making this argument appears to have no understanding of higher math.

[TheMathGuy]

And even then, you never talk about the probability of this EXACT universe existing. It is always a question of a probability of a certain subset of universes existing (like the subset of universes which contain life). Also, there is nothing contradictory about a universe in a set with probability zero actually existing, since there is a fine technical difference between zero-probable and impossible (the two are not the same thing!)

[TheMathGuy]

The problem with all such argument of this form is as follows: If the number of possible universes is infinite, and the probability of any particular universe existing is 1/∞ = 0. However consider that the sum of the probabilities of all possibilities must equal 1 (law of probability). However, adding zero to itself, even infinitely many times, is still zero. Contradiction! Infinite probability spaces don't make any sense unless you define them with limits and replace sums with integrals.

[RyanKaufman]

Fitting music for a good argument.

Is there any way I can download this by the way?

[IMPERATORTIBERIVS]

If a universe is infinitely unlikely and the possible universes are infinite, then the probability of getting a universe of one type or another ends up being one. The fact that I'm sitting here is a product of the fact that it has to come out SOME way. I seriously laughed at his argument. And the marble thing is just stupid. I can't even piece together the logic he's using to believe it.

[jesokingcryst]

Ha!Ha! Awesome!

+ a miracle does not imply god.

[somecomputergeek]

I suppose. Having finite mass and energy, I think that we can assume that each "branch" has a finite number of possibilities. If this is the case, it's conceivable that adding up all of these potential "branches" would lead to a finite number.