@ryanjm 1 breaks constitution, 2 finishes off the little freedom we have left, 3 raises premiums overall before the "large pools" which in the end most people's bill will still be larger then it is now,4 creates hundreds of thousands of government jobs and i dont know if you know but every dollar they get for work comes outta the collective pocket of the country which will hurt the economy and the country, always has always will
@majikninja07, But that's just it, how do you know it's bad legislation? Like I said, there are smart people on both sides of this issue and I am inclined to let Obama get something done and see if it works. I definitely wouldn't want bad legislation to pass.
ryanjm: "...If it sucks, then in a few years we'll all know that and someone else will be president and get it repealed."
That sounds really nice. However, reality says that repealing a law like this is impossible. Once this is "giving health care" away--or really--once it is TAXING US MORE-- repealing a law that "generates" more money for the gov't is impossible---politicians NEVER repeal a tax-generating law.
This HORRIBLE bill will be the law of hte land FOREVER. Obama is a bad man.
Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! Page 29: Your health care will be rationed! Page 30: A government committee will decide all treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.50: All illegals, will be provided with free healthcare services. 59: Government has direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts.
While it may not be pretty, Ryan speaks the truth. A more detailed account of how this bill double counts money is exposed by Ryan during the past Health Care Summit. This bill is going to be the death blow to America's economy as it hurdles us ever faster to insolvency.
Ooooooooh, so he says the CBO spreadsheet has been manipulated.
BS!
Then he says: "Were running some numbers now and we THINK..." Think is not fact, its assumption/opinion.
Then Paul Ryan shoots down the CBO again. Then he backs them when the number favor his opinion. Kinda confusing don't you think?
Paul Ryan is proficient at RHETORIC and putting a "play" on words is obviously a gift. Some of what he says is fact but its about 50-50 on the "Fact" factor.
jbdlawyer..."The wars didn't cost that much and accomplished a legitimate purpose. "...ROTFLMAO...spoken like a true gop tool....hell, one of the reasons you wingnuts are up in arms over the deficit is because Obama decided to bring the costs of the wars into the open by accounting for them openly instead of keeping them off the books like Bush did...
@ryanjm 1 breaks constitution, 2 finishes off the little freedom we have left, 3 raises premiums overall before the "large pools" which in the end most people's bill will still be larger then it is now,4 creates hundreds of thousands of government jobs and i dont know if you know but every dollar they get for work comes outta the collective pocket of the country which will hurt the economy and the country, always has always will
majikninja07 1 year ago
@majikninja07, But that's just it, how do you know it's bad legislation? Like I said, there are smart people on both sides of this issue and I am inclined to let Obama get something done and see if it works. I definitely wouldn't want bad legislation to pass.
ryanjm 1 year ago
ryanjm: "...If it sucks, then in a few years we'll all know that and someone else will be president and get it repealed."
That sounds really nice. However, reality says that repealing a law like this is impossible. Once this is "giving health care" away--or really--once it is TAXING US MORE-- repealing a law that "generates" more money for the gov't is impossible---politicians NEVER repeal a tax-generating law.
This HORRIBLE bill will be the law of hte land FOREVER. Obama is a bad man.
pdburk 1 year ago
Paul Ryan is the chief spokesperson for the Insurance Companies in Congress.
He's a TOTAL CORPORATE WHORE!
DillonX 1 year ago
Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! Page 29: Your health care will be rationed! Page 30: A government committee will decide all treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.50: All illegals, will be provided with free healthcare services. 59: Government has direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts.
RightCountry 1 year ago
A correction to my previous post...it is THE reason...
lucslawyer 1 year ago
While it may not be pretty, Ryan speaks the truth. A more detailed account of how this bill double counts money is exposed by Ryan during the past Health Care Summit. This bill is going to be the death blow to America's economy as it hurdles us ever faster to insolvency.
S0meCommonSense 1 year ago
Ooooooooh, so he says the CBO spreadsheet has been manipulated.
BS!
Then he says: "Were running some numbers now and we THINK..." Think is not fact, its assumption/opinion.
Then Paul Ryan shoots down the CBO again. Then he backs them when the number favor his opinion. Kinda confusing don't you think?
Paul Ryan is proficient at RHETORIC and putting a "play" on words is obviously a gift. Some of what he says is fact but its about 50-50 on the "Fact" factor.
DickSkidmore 1 year ago
jbdlawyer..."The wars didn't cost that much and accomplished a legitimate purpose. "...ROTFLMAO...spoken like a true gop tool....hell, one of the reasons you wingnuts are up in arms over the deficit is because Obama decided to bring the costs of the wars into the open by accounting for them openly instead of keeping them off the books like Bush did...
lucslawyer 1 year ago
@ryanjm i love your bad legislation is better then no legislation stance , good job in buying into the old model of america
majikninja07 1 year ago