DEBATE: Proverbs 16:4, Reprobation: Why Did God Make the Wicked for the Day of Evil?

Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers/Christian Debater (YouTube channel: CANSWERSTV, websites: BIBLEQUERY.ORG, HISTORYCART.COM & MUSLIMHOPE.COM) debates Steve McCalip, author & producer of "KingJamesVideoMan," on the subject of WHO did Jesus die for. Bob L. Ross, leading publisher of Charles Haddon Spurgeon (please check official website: PILGRIMPUBLICATIONS.COM), is the moderator. Educational backgrounds of debaters: Wessels- Bachelor of Science in Advertising from the University of Texas at Austin, completed extension course taught by Dr. J.I. Packer of Regent College, Vancouver, Canada, studied virtually every book or tape produced by Walter Martin of the Christian Research Institute & Dr. R.C. Sproul of Ligonier Ministries, worked with Pilgrim Publications (C.H. Spurgeon) since 1990, attended Dayspring Fellowship of Austin, Texas (Pastor Jackson Boyett, www.dayspringchapel.org) since 1982. McCalip- Bachelor's degree from Baylor University, 2 Master's Degrees in Education from the University of Houston. Theological background: Wessels- Classical Protestant Reformed Doctine, Affirms the Trinity (Father , Son & Holy Spirit), McCalip- Arminian Doctrine, Denial of the Trinity, Affirms King James Bible only. A popular book out is entitled "History's Greatest Lies;" although this book doesn't mention the following it should have: Darwin's Evolution Theory, Global Warming, Muhammad was a prophet of God, the only true "church" is headed by a Roman Pope, etc. Another "greatest lie" would be to say Jesus died for people He did not indeed die for. There are only 3 possibilities: 1. Christ died to save all men therefore all are saved 2. Christ died to save no one in particular (men then must save themselves) or 3. Christ died to save a certain number (who God then actively saves) from eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire. This debate has been going on for centuries & in recent times has had more notoriety because of a book written by Dave Hunt of "The Berean Call" entitled, "What Love Is This?," which makes many of the same emotional Arminian arguments as Steve McCalip in this debate. Multnomah Publishers also produced a book entitled "Debating Calvinism" between Hunt & James R. White of Alpha & Omega Ministries. Ergun Caner of Islam fame has also taken issue with "The Five Points of Calvinism," namely: 1. Total Depravity, 2. Unconditional Election, 3. Limited Atonement, 4. Irresistible Grace, & 5. Perseverance of the Saints. The real question, ""Is God sovereign over man or is man's free will sovereign over God & His purposes?" Who is REALLY in control?

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[vennchris]

Try not to take the scriptures out of context. God does things for certain reasons, where most times, we may not always understand everything. The Book of Job states, "Who has ever understood the entire scope of God?"

God works in ways that we may not always understand.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris That's certainly correct but we can certainly understand from the scriptures that it was God Who saved us, not us! God the Father predestinated His elect to be saved (Ephesians1:4-11) BEFORE the world was even created (by His will not ours), Jesus came to die for the ones the Father predestinated (John 6) & Jesus prayed NOT for the world but His elect (John 17:9), & the Holy Spirit came & sealed the truly redeemed who had been predestinated by the Father & paid for by the Son (Jn 14).

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV All I am saying is that anyone can fall. God has reminded us so many times in scripture that we are to stay on track with God. "Behold, I set before you life and death, the blessings and the curses. Therefore, choose life, so that you may live, and not die."

Why would God continuously remind us to stay on track with Him, if it wasn't possible for God's elect to fail? Because it is possible. Jesus clearly stated, "They will even try to decieve God's elect, IF POSSIBLE."

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris You're totally incorrect concerning God's elect being able to lose their salvation (an old Arminian & cultic heresy). Even the verse you quote refutes your position. The book of Hebrews clearly talks about apostates (those who fall away) & Hebrews 6 is a classic example. Hebrews 6:9 shows the clear distinction between the fake Christians & the real ones (real ones actually have "salvation"). 1 John 2:19 says the apostates were never real Christians to begin with (not born again).

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV Believe what you want. God will guide me. I have been conflicted in my faith. God is my witness. And you are to blame. Watch your words very carefully, for the LORD is listening and watching every one of them.

I've said what God has told me to say. This conversation is done.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris You're CONFLICTED in your faith because your nonBiblical heresies concerning who saves who (do men save themselves because God gives them a CHANCE or does God sovereignly save men because they CANNOT do it themselves - Mark 10:27?) are easily at odds to what the Bible clearly teaches. It's not my fault my friend but your own confused understanding of Biblical salvation that gets the blame. You're also confused by your own delusional claims that "God told you" when the Bible disagrees.

[CAnswersTV]

@researchthat You've "selective verses amnesia" syndrome ("I'll pick the verses I want to believe in & forget the rest that I don't believe in"). You don't seem to be aware of a vast number of Bible verses that would say that you're totally wrong. Did Paul say, "For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you" (1 Cor 11:19)? Did Paul & Apollos ever debate theology with others (Acts 17:17, 18:28, 19:8)? What does Jude 3-4 or Phil 1:7, 17 say?

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV People who are saved can fall and people who are not saved can be saved. Trust me, I've seen it happen before. Just because people are changing by their own decisions does not mean that we aren't pre-destined. God's people are clearly pre-destined.

Before we make final judgment, we should ask ourselves, "Who are the real people of God?" And by the end, the real people of God are the real "pre-destined" of God.

And Jesus has already fulfilled all things when He died and rose.

[CAnswersTV]

@fre4409 Thank you! Likewise, may the Lord bless you & yours.