How To Be Saved

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[Bosingr]

So now, let's review some key verses. In no particular order: 2nd Peter 2:18-22, 3:17, Luke 8:13, Hebrews 3:12-14, 6:4-6, 10:26-27, 10:36-39, James 5:19-20, Galatians 5:13, 1st Corinthians 10:12,Revelations 2:16, 3:3, 3;16.

[christianissues]

@Bosingr Amen. I have a video called Salvation Part 4 - Once Saved Always Saved which is along the lines of those verses. God bless, Mick

[HolySpiritDwells]

To {practice} sin means to repeat or do again. So even if you choose to use the word {practice}, anyone who sin occasionally is of the Devil as 1 John 3:8 says. We must understand that God isn't confined to (time) like we are, so if you sin once a year, to God this is still a [HABITUAL pattern] as many call it to continue in their sin less then they use too lifestyle. How about embracing the wonderful command of of our Messiah, "Go and sin {no more}", trusting in His Grace to perfect us, amen.

[christianissues]

@HolySpiritDwells I'm afraid that I can't see it your way for 2 reasons. 1) Practice means a lifestyle like a doctor practices medicine ... a continuing lifestyle of sin is like regularly getting drunk, as opposed to a one off event. 2) 1 John 1:8 tells us that if we claim to be without sin then we deceive ourself. If your definition was correct then all mankind is of the devil. The verb for 'sin' in John 8:11 is present tense - Jesus told her that she must stop practicing sin. God bless, Mick

[Bosingr]

@Jardenix No proof from what Paul actually said that Demas was saved. Hence why Paul seemed so disappointed that Demas had fallen back into the love of this present world instead of keeping his eyes on the real prize-Heaven in the presence of God for all eternity. Our choice is temporary earthly pleasures or eternal and indescribable bliss with God. Unless Demas repented, and it's never recorded if he did, he made the eternally wrong choice.

[Jardenix]

@Bosingr Luke 8:14 fits perfectly with Demas, "...which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection." He was saved, but brought no fruit to perfection - he didn't work to lay up treasures in Heaven, 1st Corinthians 3:8.

[Bosingr]

@Jardenix ...But a while doesn't count. First, you must begin the journey down that narrow path, but what's even more important is how you end the journey.

Paul said "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith"(2ndTimothy 4:7). That is what is needed.

[Bosingr]

@Jardenix I've heard that argument before. You don't think any of those people actually believed in the first place? Like Demas for instance, Paul's fellow missionary who once worked with him, but Paul said "has forsaken me having loved this present world"(2nd Timothy 4:10)? Or the people Jesus was alluding to in His Parable Of The Sower? They never believed in the first place? They rejected the Gospel? That's not what it says.

Every indication is they did believe. For a while...

[Jardenix]

@Jardenix ... In John 12:42-43, the words, "many believed on him", mean they were saved. In John 5:24, it says, "...believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.".

The church in Galatians and the multiple church's in Revelation had unbelievers, who fell from grace because they rejected the only way to heaven, the Gospel. in Hebrews 13:5 says that God will never forsake any of His children.

[Jardenix]

@Bosingr I think you misunderstand what falling from grace means. In Galatians 5:1-4 Paul speaks of falling from grace, people who rejected the Gospel. It never spoke of people who decided to just quit believing in the Gospel, if you do you were never a believer in the first place. In Romans 10:13 God promises to anyone who believes on Jesus' name is saved...

[Bosingr]

@Jardenix John 12:42-43 “Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; for they loved praise from men more than praise from God.” Where does it say in those verses that they were still saved? What it does say is that they put more importance on getting praise from men then from God.

[Bosingr]

@Jardenix Matthew 13:20-21 “The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.” Same last 2 words there too.

[Bosingr]

@Jardenix Luke 8:13 “Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.” Jesus speaking there. Catch that part at the end of the sentence about “…they fall away.” ?

[Jardenix]

@Bosingr Luke 8:13 talks about Believers who heard and believed the word, but show nothing for it. In times of testing and persecution they chose to hide their profession of faith from others, (Matthew 13:20-21). John 12:42-43 speaks of believers who did this, but were still saved.