African origin of the Greeks (Refuting NeCacaluXuxultic)

South Tunisian HLA gene profile has studied for the first time. HLA-A, -B, -DRB1 and -DQB1 allele frequencies of Ghannouch have been compared with those of neighboring populations, other Mediterraneans and Sub-Saharans. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, Neighbor-Joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. Our HLA data show that both southern from Ghannouch and northern Tunisians are of a Berber substratum in spite of the successive incursions (particularly, the 7th-8th century A.D. Arab invasion) occurred in Tunisia. It is also the case of other North Africans and Iberians. This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16473309?dopt=Abstract


The usko-Mediterraneans peoples are defined as ancient and present day populations that have lived in the Mediterranean/Middle-East/Caucasus area and have spoken a Basque related language. The present day existing populations show an HLA genetic relatedness which is more or less close according to geographical distance. The Greek sample is an outlying in all genetic analyses, because Greeks have a significant genetic input from sub-Saharan Ethiopians and Blacks. This probably occurred in Pharaonic times. Present day comparisons between genes and languages show a lack of correlation: Macedonian, Palestinians, Kurds, part of Berbers, Armenians, and Turks belong to the old Mediterranean substratum, but they do not speak a language included in the old Mediterranean Dene-Caucasian group. This is due to an "elite"-imposed culture and language. Other ethnic groups speak an "old Mediterranean language" or "usko-Mediterranean language" modified by Roman Latin (i.e., Spanish, Italians), or by other not fully explained processes (Jews). Therefore, the correlation between genes and languages may exist at a macrogeographical level, but not when more precise microgeographical studies are done, as shown in the present "usko-Mediterranean" peoples model.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11543906?dopt=Abstract



HLA genes allele distribution has been studied in Mediterranean and sub-Saharan populations. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, neighbour-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The population genetic relationships have been compared with the history of the classical populations living in the area. A revision of the historic postulates would have to be undertaken, particularly in the cases when genetics and history are overtly discordant. HLA genomics shows that: 1) Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers. The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.). 2) Turks (Anatolians) do not significantly differ from other Mediterraneans, indicating that while the Asians Turks carried out an invasion with cultural significance (language), it is not genetically detectable. 3) Kurds and Armenians are genetically very close to Turks and other Middle East populations. 4) There is no HLA genetic trace of the so called Aryan invasion, which has only been defined on doubtful linguistic bases. 5) Iberians, including Basques, are related to north-African Berbers. 6) Present-day Algerian and Moroccan urban and country people show an indistinguishable Berber HLA profile.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12392505?dopt=Abstract

South Tunisian HLA gene profile has studied for the first time. HLA-A, -B, -DRB1 and -DQB1 allele frequencies of Ghannouch have been compared with those of neighboring populations, other Mediterraneans and Sub-Saharans. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, Neighbor-Joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. Our HLA data show that both southern from Ghannouch and northern Tunisians are of a Berber substratum in spite of the successive incursions (particularly, the 7th-8th century A.D. Arab invasion) occurred in Tunisia. It is also the case of other North Africans and Iberians. This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16473309?dopt=Abstract

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[edirnelihakan23]

@SirGeorge8600 ignore oyrad hes idiot...

[PiotrThePrimate]

@spartakofilus Greeks didn't come from Africa. No serious scholar of ancient Greek history accepts that proposition.  It is just negrocentric nonsense that originated from disgruntled African-Americans.

[PiotrThePrimate]

@Macedonia1ful Derivation is not theft. Yes the Greek alphabet is derived from the Phonecian alphabet which in turn was derived from some other Proto-Canaanite alphabet. The English alphabet is derived from the Latin alphabet which in turn is derived from the Etruscan alphabet. That is how scripts and language are created and developed.

[PiotrThePrimate]

Lucian was not Greek he was Syrian or Assysian.

Lactantius Placidus was not Greek either he (or possibly they) was (were) Roman.

[marioorange]

@Macedonia1ful

if there was the greek alphabet ... there was not the latin ... or slavic ... or english etc alphabet

greek alphabet is unic and has its own words ...

wich created the european lunguage ....

the strange thing is that if it is truth the greeks took some letters from phoenician why dint took also the words ... in the contrary the latin people adopted greek alphabet and greek words ...

[Macedonia1ful]

GREEKS ARE THIEFS they steal......

From the shape of the letters,it is

CLEAR that the GREEKS adopted the

alphabet from the PHOENICIAN script

mostly from the late 9th century BCE.

In fact,Greek historian Herotodus

(5th century BCE) called the Greek

letters "phoinikeia grammata" which

means Phoenician letters.

[SirGeorge8600]

@Oyrad58 No, I meant to say Greece and Turkey mixed, not that Greeks mixed directly with Turks. But anyway, curly hair can be due to a number of reasons. You should note though that dolichocephalic head is something that's very different from any skull shapes in europe. It's when the back of the skull extends outward and there is a thin jaw width in the front. I honestly have never seen Greeks with this, and there is only a fraction of Africans who have this.

[Oyrad58]

@SirGeorge8600 i dont think that greeks have more than %1 mongoloid. Turks are paternally and with mtdna are slight mongoloid . and do you know those greeks also came to istanbul and i ve seen many greeks in my life. its true that they somewhat looks like us . but some important differents.. dolichocephalic head and curly hair is very common in greece. also in Turkey's aegean shore, its common too. because these region was highly greek populated during the ottoman empire

[SirGeorge8600]

@Oyrad58 Ethiopians tend to look Arabic. Either way I still am not dark like the people in the video you have me. Not to mention I have yet to see a Greek person with a dolichocephalic head and kinky afro hair. However I have seen many Greeks with Turkish eyes so would this count as mongoloid?

[Oyrad58]

@SirGeorge8600 /watch?v=UJuj2cPThkQ

watch this ! do you know what means "mixing" . today you cant find a Turk with full-mongoloid looking. but you can find many asiatic featured Turks. same to greeks. you cant find %100 african looking greek. but you can find african-featured greek wtih dolichocephalic head , kinky hair etc. watch the video. ethiopians are not full blacks. sub saharans are different then other africans