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@MRKetter81 ok ketter.. we'll leave it there then. our view points are clearly irreconcilable. you can believe that the sin of adam is more powerful to destroy creation than Christs sacrifice to redeem it - you can believe that God totally messed up by creating beings he knew in advance would sin and be tortured in the blistering flames of and eternal 'hell'. Your 'hell' will stand as an eternal reminder that Gods love fails and He is incapable of reconciling creation to Himself.. its not 4 me
etherform66 6 months ago
@etherform66 "the only dichotomy that exists here is your idea that God is omnipotent yet totally at the mercy of His creation."
Your listening skills are much, much worse. I never said God was ever at the mercy of His creation. The problem of evil is approached as paradoxical, it's not answered theologically.
MRKetter81 6 months ago
@etherform66 "I think its more out of the realms of your understanding"
Oh.. so I'm not the enlightened one.. like Joseph Smith or Herold Camping?
No... You have illogically twisted the context of scripture to suit your own view. You apply a bad exogesis and there's little logic to even follow.
Man was created "good" ... sin is not "good"; ergo man was created without sin.
It was SIN that took opportunity under the law of Moses... NOT the edicts given in the garden of Eden.
MRKetter81 6 months ago
@MRKetter81 how is me saying "eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was an essential prerequisite for becoming like God" since God says "Now man has become like us, knowing good and evil" out of context? I think its more out of the realms of your understanding because God has not revealed these truthes to you, but wipe the tears from your eyes and blow your nose ketter - He wont forget about you!
etherform66 6 months ago
@MRKetter81 stay on the subject ketter.. the only dichotomy that exists here is your idea that God is omnipotent yet totally at the mercy of His creation. Your exegesis and hermenutical skills are childish and are lacking in honesty. Geez im not even a christian and I can see Gods plan for creation more clearly than you! haha "professing to be wise they became fools" rather discriptive of you wouldn't you say? hehe..
etherform66 6 months ago
@MRKetter81 Go read the Bible - its free to all with the humility to accept its truth.. ooops - counts you out :)
etherform66 6 months ago
@etherform66 Go read Calvin's Institutes.. They're free of charge under copy right law.
MRKetter81 6 months ago
@etherform66 You are taking words out of there context to make every point you have so far.
MRKetter81 6 months ago
@etherform66 "'for the creation was subjected"
Think a moment on the distinction between those two words before you call that a proof. In one moment "creation" in another "subjected". There's a dichotomy there whether or not you refuse to see it.
MRKetter81 6 months ago
@MRKetter81 hahahahah .. im the one having trouble understanding ey? hahahah "now the sepent (nakesh) was the craftiest of all the creatures the Lord God had made" Jn 8:44 Jesus said "you are of your father the devil who was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING" he was a murderer from the genesis of his creation.. Who was it that subjected creation to futility, bondage and corruption? Adam? NO! it was GOD Rom 8:20 'for the creation was subjected to futility..by GOD" you despise Gods Word dont you?
etherform66 6 months ago