The God Debate: 'Can there be good without God' Pt 1/9

The God Debate, 'Can there be good without God?' The Atheist Foundation of Australia vs South Australian Christians, Flinders University, June 2011

Participants

Christian Side:
Robert Potter
Dr. Steve Taylor
Dr. Mark Worthing

Atheist
Ian Robinson
Leigh Raymond
Matthew McArthur

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[veganath]

Moral Axiom: Do not cause unnecessary suffering to conscious creatures!

SIMPLE!!

[RobertPotter9]

@veganath I agree with your statement; that does not mean that it can claim axiomatic status.

It assumes that nihilists, egoists and libertarians are all irrational. It assumes that all rational agents would agree with your statement; which if taken as an argument against the positions mentioned, is massive question begging (you are just assuming that nihilism is false). This is only an issue if one believes that rational consensus is the basis of moral ontology.

[RobertPotter9]

The rest of the debate is available through my YouTube account.

[1purelight]

Use these pics on my channel.

God Bless

He needs to be in our society more not less.

[MoonwalkerWorshiper]

Brilliant speaker!

[veganath]

@RobertPotter9 Agree & that is why today we don't have the bar for morality in it's raised ideological high position. However, with the evolution of consciousness (hmm, I think the American Indian saying 'Life is a journey from our head to our heart' is most apt), & with an initial push of the imposition of a social contract that promotes 'equal consideration of interests' we should soon realize our next evolutionary milestone beyond cognition (Eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge)