Tanto randori kyoto intl tournament

Part One: Josh Ramey, Mansfield Aikido Club/Team USA : round four of Men's tanto randori 8th International Aikido Festival , Kyoto Japan Sept 2009

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[AikidoBob]

Maybe this will help really move along this discussion: we don't train tanto randori thinking of the tanto as a knife. It's scoring instrument, not a weapon. The point of the game is NOT to to show you can survive a knife attack; there are no slashes, no grabbing back, no hitting, no judo throws The point is to show application of aikido principle correct timing and distancing at specific circumstances: arms length, committed attack. So limited carryover habits, combat training this is not.

[AikidoBob]

Since u started the debate I'd think it was ur responsibility to maintain clarity; as to the most? T'any rate, I believe the majority of MAs who advance in rank are bright, insightful and very capable of clarity, common traits in smart folks. Apologies? Didn't ask u for one, ergo no need to give u one. I asked bout ur intentions in the debate cuz it seems you perceive yourself to have the only correct POV on MA, so do you post to debate&win or to exchange ideas/concepts? Waz ur motivation, JC.

[shihonage]

AikidoBob:

Either you're implying that a martial arts practitioner should be capable of clarity - and I agree with that - or you're implying that a martial arts practitioner should be an uneducated simpleton incapable of following logic - which I disagree with.

For sanity's sake, let us hope it was the former. That said, I have to point out that I was the one who expended the most effort to maintain clarity in this exchange.

If we're demanding apologies now, first, I'll be waiting for mine.

[AikidoBob]

I see, "to the man", nice use of latin Ad Nauseum. Were you a debater at some point in your life, are you a lawyer now? Sound more like that than an MAer interested in cont. a discussion which you started by flaming our silly little game. And it is a silly little game, all games are. However, the merits of the total system outweigh the possible inherent danger u perceive as bad instictive reactions formed by the game IMHO. And wht u said was insulting: own up to it.

[shihonage]

AikidoBob:

I've addressed his arguments as they were. He did not return the favor. When a person ignores the part where you addressed their argument, and keeps repeating the same argument ad nauseum, they can no longer be communicated with.

Pointing out his lack of reading comprehension is not an insult, it is something easily observable by anyone who cares to follow the exchange.

Now, calling someone ignorant is an ad hominem. "It wasn't the response itself", it was "my ignorance". See.

[AikidoBob]

And so have you by insulting him...guess it always ends up this way...

[shihonage]

jrame: Congratulations on crossing into "Youtube comment" territory with the lack of basic reading comprehension and the ad hominem. Good luck with that.

[jrame]

It wasn't the response itself. More like the pure ignorance and contradictions that followed. U fight how u train. Correct? I've heard numerous accounts and know people personally who have trained to strike someone or break a limb and then when they got to that position in real life, they either pulled their strike or released the lock bcuz that is how they trained. But!..i'm glad to know that krav maga training has some way around this.

[shihonage]

jrame: I'm glad that my early reply stuck in your head enough for you to expend effort to write another response to it.

There's of course, an obvious difference between what this kind of training imprints and what Krav Maga-type training imprints.

Even though you don't smash the uke, the gap between what you're doing and between what you should be doing is astronomically smaller than it is between reality and knife randori portrayed in this video.

[jrame]

"When someone has a knife and you managed to grab the wrist, their teeth and a bit off piece of tongue should be already flying out of their mouth as your other hand smashed under their chin."

So in order to subconsciously do this in real life based on reflexes that u've trained, do u actually smash ur ukes under the chin and cause them to spit out their severed tongue. If not then i'm afraid ur "reptilian" brain will stop just short of what should be a real strike.