Potop 1974 (Armia szwedzka), The Deluge 1974 (Swedish Army)

Polish patriotic film "The Deluge" directed by J. Hoffman, based on novel by Henryk Sienkiewicz

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Film & Animation

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• potop
• deluge
• hoffman
• sienkiewicz
• trylogia
• szwedzki
• szwedzi

[joonte1010]

@MysteriousPlan "Why did the Swedish manage to raid Poland then ?"

Quite an easy answer to that, Sweden back then had one of Europes most experienced and battlehardened armies, Capable to defeat any armies in Europe back then.

[MysteriousPlan]

Until the II Northern War, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was one of the richest and one of the most powerful countries of Europe, it could easily adapt the status of 'empire' but it was a constitutional monarchy of szlachta, therefore it wouldn't be appropriate.

Why did the Swedish manage to raid Poland then ? Shortly : All of sudden Cossack uprising 1648 & War with Tsardom of Russia 1654 = huge destructions, then the Swedish attack on Lithuania and the Prussian uprising.

~ Слава поляков !!

[ToadsMGodes]

THOSE DAMNED EVIL SWEDES!!!

[boniek11101988]

@joonte1010 King fled at end September - beginnign October to Austrian Silesia, when Warsaw was taken, levée en masse didn't arrive and Cracow was besieged. At the beginning of Deluge the Hussars were not used against Swedes until October (near Tarnów).

[boniek11101988]

@joonte1010 Swedish attack was more dangeroud because they attacked the wealthiest regions of the country. Russians stopped their attacks and retreated (reverse of alliances), when Swedes attacked. Professional army yes it was, because at every year the parliament was deciding about taxes and numbers of troops in army. In 1655 Sejm didn't decide to raise new taxes. Whole army (40 000) was on eastern fronts against Russians (about 200 000).

[joonte1010]

@boniek11101988 Well, The Poles did use the Hussars in several battles agianst the Swedes during the Deluge.. The battle of Warsawa is one example, But i am ignorant about one thing. When the Polish king had fleed the country, Why didnt the Poles take the Swedish threat more seriously? Did the Poles lack a proffesional army to put up against the Swedes? The Swedes could more or less walk up and down in Western Poland and plunder.. Which they also did.

[joonte1010]

@boniek11101988 I know all that, But the reason WHY the Swedes could invade Poland in the first place (During the Deluge) was because of the fact that the Polish kings had claims on the Swedish thrones and the Swedish coat of arms, This was something Karl X used as a reason to attack. Sweden emerged strong from the 30 years war but the wars had greatly wounded the Swedish economy, They aimed to plunder as much as possible in Poland to regian its economical strenght.

[boniek11101988]

@joonte1010 About backstabbing at last. You don't need to be an ally to stab someone in the back. Look on the situation all armies in the east and emptied of soldiers western and northern borders, we could send there only militia of nobleman(against veterans of 30-years war!). Between Great Poland and polish armies were 300 miles - its almost two months of march. You now see why I called it backstabbing. Just like Soviets (which were not our allies) in 1939 did.

[boniek11101988]

@joonte1010 When John III died everything started to collapse - Sigismund was very catholic and most of Swedes were protestants, when Sigismund came to Sweden to be crowned, but his uncle Charles IX of Sodermanland defeated him in the field. Those wars were wars of Sigismund and his sons against Charles IX and his descendants for the crown of Sweden.

[boniek11101988]

@joonte1010 3. Swedes considered Poland as allies in second half of 16 century - then the king Gustav Vasa decided to marry his younger son John (future king John III, his son was Sigismund III) with polish princess Catherin of House Jagiellon to establish alliance against Danes and Russians. We fought together at battle at Wenden in 1578, when Swedes came with relief (6000) to the besieged by Russians polish garrison at Wenden in Latvia (1578).

[boniek11101988]

@joonte1010 I disagree in few points: 1st we were defending before Russian invasion in 1654-1655 I agree in your pint of view about Cossacks. 2. Putting Swedish coat of arms is nothing to do with that, because we put the hereditary coat of arm of our elected king, because the kings (Sigismund III, Vladislavus IV and John II Casimir were Swedes by blood (House Vasa of Finland, hereditary kings of Swedes and Gots, Great Dukes of Finland)

[joonte1010]

@boniek11101988 The Poles were fucking with the wrong people, By putting up the Swedish coat of arms in their own was provocing. They had it coming, And they had only themselves to blame. (Backstabbing) Oh,Please.. The Swedes never considered Poland as any allies.