Re: Proving the Existence of God - SamiZaatari

Sami Zaatari finally unveils his conclusive proof of the existence of God and the world breathes a sigh of collective disappointment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pNWLRavPYI

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[GaruzoSama]

I read "The believing brain"... and yeah, it's straight forward. The belief comes before the bullshit to back it up.

[thre3eplus]

@noelplum99 All right. That's why we should we should bifurcate our knowledge realm and call the stuff formed without evidence "belief," and the stuff formed with evidence "knowledge." On the latter, it just depends how finicky you are as to how much, and what kind, and how often verified, evidence you'll settle for. To some it is enough just to have someone else believe a given notion, or for it to be in any book in order for it to be considered useful evidence. Empriricism is merely a choice.

[noelplum99]

@thre3eplus

"Human beings, with their limited, finite cognitive horizon, really cannot know anything with full certainty."

I agree with that but that does not mean you cannot differentiate between a belief based on empirical evidence and one based on faith, i just think the word 'belief' itself is used in too wide an array of contexts for us to discern the specifics of what it is referring to whenever someone uses it.

[thre3eplus]

@noelplum99 In that case, it seems, you have no way of differentiating between the belief that applies to deity and belief that applies to science. I can see that, in a way, because both can be considered as bullshit. Human beings, with their limited, finite cognitive horizon, really cannot know anything with full certainty.

[noelplum99]

@thre3eplus

Ok, so I think we are using 'belief' and 'believe' in different ways - you are holding that a 'belief' is akin to unevidenced faith whereas i use it simply as something that you hold to be true, including on the basis of solid evidence.

[thre3eplus]

@noelplum99 I don't understand why the assertion "If you need evidence before a belief is capable of forming in you, then you can't believe in a god"necessarily requires for there to be no evidence. As I see it, it does not.There may be evidence, but evidence forms knowledge and not faith. Your second statement: "Can you demonstrate why it has to be the case. . ." my answer is that no evidence for deityt is not a necessary case," However, that applies only to the daddy in the sky kind of deity.

[noelplum99]

@thre3eplus

"If you need evidence before a belief is capable of forming within you, then you cannot believe"

This is only the case if you accept there is no evidence. Can you demonstrate to me why it has to be the case that their can be no evidence for a deity?

[thre3eplus]

@noelplum99 No! The third sentence in my comment somehow left out a number of words. Here is how it actually goes. If you need evidence before a belief is capable of forming within you, then you cannot believe (in a god, so why bother looking or arguing.) But there is miracle all around. That does not require more proof than we have. Being is a miracle. There is nothing within existence that I can comprehend fully, you see. But ego insists on claiming that there are some thing fully knowable.

[noelplum99]

@thre3eplus

I didn't really understand this comment. it sounds like you are simply alleging that because their are things you cannot comprehend fully these are therefore miracles and evidence for a specific (and highly contrived) god.

[thre3eplus]

Why would anyone take on a question that makes his head almost explode? There is no evidence for the type of god that christians and muslims promulgate, and that's that. If you need evidence belief is capable of forming within you, then you cannot believe. However, there is evidence for miracle. Existence just stands there crying out to be appreciated to the point of amazement. The miracle of our eyes are capable of beholding the miracle, but our ego stands in the way of full appreciation.