Islam---Stone Fornicators to Death?

The surah or chapter that primarily deals with this is Chapter 24, The Light

You can read it here:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/qur...

or here:
http://aaiil.org/text/hq/trans/ch24.shtml

Also, here is a link to the Anastasia Ringing Cedars series of books---full of inspirational solutions. I just love them!
http://www.ringingcedars.com

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[TheStormchaser1]

Jews/Christians/Catholics stoned and burnt "Witches" at Stake for Fornification and being a Whore. Spanish Inquistion some "Witches" we sexually assaulted by The Church for being a witch. Majority of torture devices were used to sexually assault the anus, vagina, and penis. It is religion which causes the perversion and majority of pervesion is due to sexual repression. Sexual Repression makes Priests perverted and molest altar boys.

[quantumsolutions]

@TheStormchaser1 Good Point.

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YUSUFALI: Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them:

Read Surah 72's better description of this issue below and my response. Maybe it warrants another vid for clarification. =))

[tvswnet]

Yeah...this is where I part company with the Abrahamic religions. I do believe that sex can be harmful, but not for the reasons in these religions. Why can't one kiss an animal...is that not allowed in Islam? If that's considered sexual, then I'd question the person who finds it sexual, not the one who kisses an animal to express love. Btw, we have HUGE evidence that these horrific punishments do not work and are simply tantamount to torture of another based in egotistical judgment.

[quantumsolutions]

@Beatnuk Okay, after reading Surah72's comments I have a better sense of all this. Maybe you could read my response to Surah72.

Because in Islam we are not to spy on each other and because you must bring forward 4 witnesses, otherwise you earn a flogging for slander (a serious offense or act of aggression against another which should not go unanswered) it should be really difficult to be found "guilty" unless you are openly having sex which is then an assault on the sensibilities of society.

[quantumsolutions]

@Surah72 Ahhh. I never looked at it that way. Because it is nearly impossible to have 4 people witness such an act unless it is openly in the streets or something but it does put the onus on the one who wants to maliciously slander others as they may earn the flogging. And as Allah (swt) has told us not to spy on each other coming up with 4 witnesses is next to impossible unless the act is done so indiscreetly as to upset a normal society. Holland comes close to this. Thx for clarification. =)

[mcdonald1958]

I heard you say "Hey don't hit as hard". As a mother would you give 100 lashes publicly to your child? I am sorry but all of these violent methods of deterring human actions are just inhumane.Religions created torture and punishment to instill fear. If someone is caught committing adultery the partners can work the problem out or get a divorce. At one time the stigma of adultery was frowned upon. Society changed. The problems created by the act of adultery did not change. Violence NO.

[brightbite]

@quantumsolutions Yeah. I haven't read the books myself, but I have read reviews.

[quantumsolutions]

@Beatnuk Ahhh. It was exactly this contemplation that brought me to Islam. Honestly, I had a journal that I would ask myself questions and the next day the answer would come to me. I was going through a sort of quickening. Then I had a last question that I couldn't answer---"Why do people do evil things for sheer perversion's sake?" Like hurt a cat? Robbing a bank has a payoff but hurting an animal? What's the payoff? The Quran explained it for me. plus a whole lot more. It never disappoints.=)

[quantumsolutions]

@Beatnuk I hear you on that. Perhaps if a child was not the potential product of this act, it would not be a serious issue but if some people get so far out of line as to promote promiscuity as is done in today's culture---openly having sex like beasts then it needs to be either fought back or deserted. I don't think Muslims can fight it back. They will have to choose to leave it behind to create a new society and then keep that one clean. Then others can come join or create their own.

[quantumsolutions]

@chafut Perhaps that's why you need so many witnesses. It is likely that two people you describe would be sufficiently discreet so as not to call any heat on themselves. Or if done in a state of love, would probably not be afraid to commit to a relationship that is respectful to themselves and society.

Thanks for your input. Peace to you.