Bob Katz about the "loudness war" part 1

This is part 1 of Bob Katz talking about the "loudenss war" at AES '09

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• TC
• Electronic
• Bob
• Katz
• aes
• 09
• loudness
• war
• system
• 6000
• mkII

[imadhaha]

cant believe this has only had 2 views, this guy really knows what hes talking about and the industry needs to listen

[synapticflow]

I'm so discouraged. I am a techno musician who like dynamic range and refuses to boost his music to 0db. I am told by my peers that I will be a failure because I don't go for max volume, regardless of the fact that my music is pretty good.

[feelytouchy67]

I remember Julian Hirsch mentioning back in the "old days" over and over how important it was to make sure when having hosting a speaker comparison that the actual decibel level remain exactly the same. The slightest increase almost invariably resulted in said audience choosing the "louder" speakers as "better." But remember that upon the advent of even the 1st CDs there already was a huge NEGATIVE reaction by Vinyl lovers to digital -& this is prior to the db levels increasing!

[mr4y]

@synapticflow Don't let those envious bastards stop you from doing what you like.

[mr4y]

@tomintroy Is not the mic. The camera is picking the PA speakers sound. There's no audio feed going directly to the camera.

[mr4y]

@bucktoofus That's additive mixing.

[mr4y]

@SPAZZOID100 He's a mastering engineer. Blame TC Electronic, since they recorded the video this way. Or maybe AES didn't allowed them to pull audio feeds from the presenters mics.

[mr4y]

@LiquidChem Don't forget that 0dBFS is different than 0dBVU. You can pass pass 0dBVU, but not 0dBFS.

[LiquidChem]

@iannowacki youre absolutely right, most people commenting here dont know what theyre talking about! but yes, anything over 0dB des not exist! there is no such thing! raising over that point only deletes the information that would have ended up above 0dB.

people can test this out- record a sound at a low input value, around -6dB. now amplify 10 decibels, and do that ten times. now tell me if you still recognize the audio.

[LiquidChem]

how so? that happens to me all the time! especially with bass parts, then trying to get the drums louder, then the synth needs to come up, and before you know it, all the levels are the same in relation to each other, only at a higher gain now... get it?

[LiquidChem]

@danisokra dude its just a presentaion, hes a speaker, it isnt hollywood. this isnt michael bay. its just information and the quality is fine for that

[SPAZZOID100]

I appreciate the topic, but an audio engineer should have know how to better record his voice for this video presentation!!