Example of lag with HD signal; Samsung LN40A650

UPDATED DESCRIPTION: Sweet jesus, after a barrage of "What about this?" and "have you tried such and such?" I think it's time to clear a few things up.

1) I don't have this TV anymore, I returned it and got a Sony Bravia. The bravia had a dead pixel, so I returned that, and ended up with a Sharp Aquos.

2) "Response time" IS NOT THE SAME AS INPUT LAG. Response time refers to the amount of time it takes the individual pixels to go from completely off to completely on. It is sometimes also noted as "GTG" which stands for "Grey to grey," meaning the amount of time it takes them to cycle grey back to grey.

3) I realize all HDTVs have some form of input lag, but many now have a "game mode" or similar setting which disables as much image processing as possible in effort to speed up the time from signal input to picture display. This particular Samsung did not have a "game mode," so I was stuck disabling auto-contrast, noise-reduction, etc etc to make sure the TV's CPU was working as little as possible. Unfortunately, it was not enough to diminish lag.

4) in response to the "upscaling" comments; I was running both my 360 and PS3 in the TV's native resolution of 1080p. It did not have to do any work to shrink/expand the image. I also made sure the TV was set to display the full picture pixel for pixel.


To anyone who thinks they have something to add: Don't bother. My new Sharp Aquos is amazing; there's no lag at ANY resolution, not even with an analog composite video signal. The picture on the Samsung was beautiful, and better than the Sony I returned and better than the Sharp I have now... I'm not knocking its picture quality. But for gaming, it just can't hold up.

Category:

Gaming

Tags:

• HDTV
• Lag
• Xbox
• 360
• PS3
• Playstation
• HDMI
• high
• definition
• response
• time
• Samsung

[mijakamaj]

If i get a hdtv and it makes my game lag could i fix it, or do i gotta buy a new one??

[AGwolf2097]

@mijakamaj you can't really "fix" lag but you can try and reduce it by changing some settings on your TV>

Turn off: auto contrast, noise reduction, 120hz/smooth-motion/etc (every manufacturer calls it something different).

make sure the image isn't being scaled or stretched beyond the boundaries of the LCD (again, you'll have to find the option on your model)

Basically, change anything that might add extra processing time to the image

[jsun2k]

Basically you are having issues bc u are playing in 1080p. It introduces much lag (when I had a 360, the same thing would happen to me if I set the system at 1080p.

The reason is 95% of games don't EVER go over 720p natively and the 360 upscales them, thus adding latency. I have a samsung LCD tv as well so I felt your pain. This generation was lied to. These systems are really 720p for games. If u don't believe me, pick up a game that's for 360 AND ps3 and look at the back of the box for re

[AGwolf2097]

@jsun2k no dude, it was fully the TV. My 360 pumps out 1080p without any problem; I bought a Sharp Aquos instead, and actually own two now. No issues.

[seriouswerious]

Hi i was reading some of the comments (great info btw) and you said to turn sharpness to zero (0) but on my tv the sharpness setting ranges from 0 (lowest) to 100 (highest) i think some tv's range from like -30 to 0 (middle) then to +30

So i have my hdtv set to just scan/just fit, do you think i should put the sharpness setting to 50 (middle) ? thanks

[AGwolf2097]

@seriouswerious

maybe, of course different TVs handle stuff like that differently. My TV goes from 0 to +20... at 0, everything is crystal clear, but anything above that adds fake contrast around the edges of things and looks terrible... it's hard to explain how a TV actually processes an image, but basically it looks for edges of colors and increases the contrast in that area... if a TV is set to display a pixel perfect image, then usually the "sharpness" setting isn't necessary. your call.

[OVERKILLxxPro]

@ps3zrockz I've had a Panasonic Viera for 6 years now and it hasn't served me wrong :) Its one of the original Vieras so I doubt they still sell it but at a guess I'd say they're probably still roughly the same so take a look at that line of TV if you want.

[ps3zrockz]

Can anyone tell me a good HDTV where there's no lag input? Not too expensive, about $200+? thank you!

[faraga1]

@quisqueyanews Well I just made the switch from CRT to LCD, and the disadvantage of a slight unnoticeable input lag is nothing compared to having a 4:3 size SD TV, where I am unable to see both sides of the TV, while also being able to count the pixels. My KDR's didn't get any blow due to the switch. Don't think a delay of a hundred of a second (10 ms) is noticeable, especially since a human reaction time is about one fifth of a second (200 ms).

[faraga1]

@showofdeth I have the LE32C530 for my PS3. Awesome TV.

[faraga1]

@quisqueyanews If you get a decent HD TV you will have a really good gaming TV as well. I bought a new samsung 32" full HD tv with no noticable input lag for 319 euros.

[quisqueyanews]

That's why i play on an old CRT TV. I will get another CRT TV in HD only for Call of Duty series.

CRT TV = 0 INPUT LAG NONE :-)

[showofdeth]

samsung le32c530 or the 37" variant are IDEAL for gaming. Both have excellent input and response times making them the mutt's nuts with gaming and blueray.