1 John 1:9 Revisited

"Forgiveness of sins" applied pre-salvation. All pre-salvation sins blotted out the moment you believe in Christ. Post-salvation, you must name them, since now you are going to live with God forever, and it's up to you whether you want to be CLEANED UP. For the soul is saved, but post-salv, you can dirty it again. Sure, those sins were paid for also, but post-salvation it's YOUR choice whether you want the payment GOD got, to be used ON you.

The above interpretation takes into account ALL the Scripture, especially the fact that in the OT, BELIEVERS were the only ones offering sacrifices. Duh, if you didn't believe in God, you didn't go. Also accounts for all the commands in the NT to name your sins, the most bald of which is in 1Jn1:9 which flat tells you that you do NOT get forgiveness, if you don't name/admit the sins to God.

Doesn't say you always have to be specific, because the word is homologew, which means admit. Idea is to admit it, even if you don't exactly remember what the sins were. I do this as follows: "I've been arrogant, Dad!" or similar thought, many times a day. Then move on, like Paul counsels in Philippians 3:12-14. Never dwell on the sins, they were paid for on the Cross.

So I've been remiss in not clarifying that post-salvation sins are NOT forgiven. My pastor taught that too. If you're interested, my pastor's website is http://www.rbthieme.org and the subseries on this topic is called "The Law of Double Punishment". They never ask for money and they don't sell your name, or even write you, except in response to you.

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[brainouty]

As I said, El Proximo, I'm done explaining things to you. You keep not understanding 1John and are carnal. God will have to spank you to wake you up. My due diligence disclosure to you is done.

I've heard people like you many many times over the decades, and I know what will happen to you if you don't wake up. But now I leave. Post anything you like, I won't respond anymore. God will.

[brainouty]

ElProximo, God will not impose on you. So you must believe to be saved. But your soul is still filled with wrong thinking. It must be replaced with Christ's thinking, & Spirit won't do that apart from your consent. So if you sin, You Refuse Consent.

He will not fill a defiled temple. That's why 1John is about FELLOWSHIP, not salvation. If you won't use 1John1:9, you are in the dark, per 1John1:8, 10.

It's how His payment is USED ON you, after salvation. God will answer you further, I'm done.

[brainouty]

Sigh, ElProximo, no one's saying you get paid anything. OF COURSE only Christ paid, OF COURSE God got paid. But how much of that payment APPLIES to you, which Isaiah 53:12 promises, requires your CONSENT. For it is an INHERITANCE aka 'promise' (both are Bible terms), and you have a right to elect against the will.

But you misinterpret the issues, misunderstand that by refusing 1John1:9 you are ONLY electing to be saved but NOT to grow up in Christ's Thinking. So you are saved, but retarded.

[brainouty]

Agreed, brian9monty. But don't confuse the Lord Lord unsaved with the saved who are carnal. Three types: unsaved thinking they are 'Christian', saved who are at the moment carnal, and saved who are using 1John1:9. The latter two will be in heaven post-death. Spiritual growth DEPENDS on regular use of 1John1:9.

[brian9monty]

You forgot about heb 10:26. There are not as many true christians as we think!!

[brainouty]

Okay, brian9monty, have you never willfully sinned since you believed in Christ? Sure you have. Sin is always a willful act, whether quick and below radar, or premeditated. You seem to regard only the latter as a problem. But there are two kinds: those sins so ingrained they are thoughtless habits; and those which are insisted upon. Both types were paid for on cross, as indeed all sin was paid for.

[brainouty]

Voicing your view is fine, brian9monty, you won't be censored. But when you misuse Bible, I have to call you on that. Other people are watching these comments.

If you didn't have 'potential', I'd just ignore you. But you have an interest in God which is not conventional, and that's a hopeful sign.

[brian9monty]

i voice my view, i get reprimanded. lol

I will just talk without getting personal.

[brian9monty]

Be respectful! Ask me what I mean. What im saying is some sins are quick without thought, habitual, unknowing until done.They must be confessed and forsaken.

Then there are those with thought, done regardless, on purpose, ignoring the signs.Willful. These prove you are not His.

[brainouty]

brian9monty, if you stop acting like a legalistic baby, I won't have to reprimand you in return.