Dan Fogelberg singing Run For The Roses for the first time Live on the eve of the 106th Kentucky Derby. I thought this was fitting to post on the eve of the Kentucky Derby 2008.
@juslookin3 - Hello.Those who know me could tell you how completely off base your demeaning accusations are. I've donated massive amounts of time and/or money to programs which prevent abuse to children & animals, some of which I've personally rescued & delivered to shelters. It's clear you're not interested in a rational conversation, but just want a target to hurl insults at. I'm not interested. I hope you'll learn to disagree agreeably. PEACE & Farewell.
@mjcamck You could use all of your rationalizations to justify human slavery, which I don't doubt that you would if it were 1850. Maybe you would have nursed a few sick or beaten ones to help you justify your "caring" pro-slavery position. I don't doubt that if this were Mexico or Spain that you'd defend bullfighting as something bulls enjoy. To equate the brutality of man-caused death and injury in the Iditarod to "bad things happen in nature" is despicable. Try that on kids.
@juslookin3 - Hello.A couple of final points: animals in the wild, not having anyone to provide for them, starve, get ill or hurt, then suffer lonely, agonizing deaths. It's horrible, but it's nature's way. At least diseased/injured racehorses go to sleep painlessly. If you don't already, I encourage you to put your passion to good use by VOLUNTEERING to rescue hurt animals like I've done; I truly do NOT deserve your insults. I sincerely extend Best Wishes & Peace to you.
@juslookin3 -Hello.I won't be hurling unjustified insults back at you.I KNOW dogs die every Iditarod; that tells me even MORE canine safety measures are needed.Nor, am I "defending" inflicting pain on horses (the whips startle, not hurt). I'm saying your solution throws out the positive (animals provided food, shelter, health care) w/the bad. People die in car accidents daily. So do we ban all automobiles or INCREASE safety features & measures? I hope you'll think about it. Peace.
@mjcamck Wow, you're in denial. Dogs die in every Iditarod (I guess you might say due to sheer joy), and many more are bred than are winners. Living life in a kennel or tied to stakes I guess is your idea of dog heaven. And you have the gall to defend horse whipping to fulfill man's lust for horse racing. I only responded because I thought that you cared, but I've wasted my time. Progress for animals has only occurred in spite of people like you. Goodbye.
@juslookin3 - Hello. We just disagree here. Sorry, but thoroughbred Race Horses DO love to run (whip causes discomfort, not pain.) Iditarod dog's health are essential to good performance; they are well cared for. Sled dogs DO love to run in snow. When they don't want to, they refuse to "mush" & are replaced on the trail, not killed. Race organizers ban mushers caught neglecting/abusing their dogs. I hope you're turning your commendable passion into volunteer service at a animal shelter.Peace.
@mjcamck Hi. Your responses have been supportive of racing. My point is that whenever animals are exploited for man's entertainment, it is abuse. The racing itself is abusive (though not as bad as some other forms of "entertainment"). They have no choice. The fact that they are legally chattel and have no rights, ensures that there will always be abuse and neglect on a large scale. If you care about animals, why must you support their exploitation? Horses don't want to race; people want it
@juslookin3 - Hello. NOT Guilty. WHEN . . . where did I ever state that cruelty to animals, in any form, was "acceptable?" The UNdisputed FACT that numerous domesticated dogs, horses, etc. are mistreated should NOT be a reason for throwing out the good with the bad, but rather an incentive to ELIMINATING the neglect & abuse. When owned by decent, affectionate, good-hearted individuals, domesticated animals are well fed & live long, comfortable, lives filled with the activity they love. Peace.
@mjcamck Seriously...how many greyhounds being discarded/year are acceptable to you to continue to support greyhound racing? How many dogs dying in each Iditarod is acceptable? How many abused and/or discarded horses from the racing industry are acceptable? Bullfights? Rodeos? Circuses? All breeding misery and death to support man's lust for entertainment at their expense. My concern is with the animals, not the "rights" of insatiable humans to exploit to the fullest, in every way. Best
@juslookin3 - Hello. My veterinarian neighbors are both animal lovers. They KNOW about the abuse that SOME horse owners/breeders inflict. SOME pet owners are very cruel to their pets. Does that mean that the entire pet industry should be outlawed? Instead of throwing out the good with the bad, shouldn't we be concentrating on eliminating just the inhumane practices? Seriously. Peace.
@juslookin3 - Hello.Those who know me could tell you how completely off base your demeaning accusations are. I've donated massive amounts of time and/or money to programs which prevent abuse to children & animals, some of which I've personally rescued & delivered to shelters. It's clear you're not interested in a rational conversation, but just want a target to hurl insults at. I'm not interested. I hope you'll learn to disagree agreeably. PEACE & Farewell.
mjcamck 3 months ago
@mjcamck You could use all of your rationalizations to justify human slavery, which I don't doubt that you would if it were 1850. Maybe you would have nursed a few sick or beaten ones to help you justify your "caring" pro-slavery position. I don't doubt that if this were Mexico or Spain that you'd defend bullfighting as something bulls enjoy. To equate the brutality of man-caused death and injury in the Iditarod to "bad things happen in nature" is despicable. Try that on kids.
juslookin3 3 months ago
@juslookin3 - Hello.A couple of final points: animals in the wild, not having anyone to provide for them, starve, get ill or hurt, then suffer lonely, agonizing deaths. It's horrible, but it's nature's way. At least diseased/injured racehorses go to sleep painlessly. If you don't already, I encourage you to put your passion to good use by VOLUNTEERING to rescue hurt animals like I've done; I truly do NOT deserve your insults. I sincerely extend Best Wishes & Peace to you.
mjcamck 3 months ago
@juslookin3 -Hello.I won't be hurling unjustified insults back at you.I KNOW dogs die every Iditarod; that tells me even MORE canine safety measures are needed.Nor, am I "defending" inflicting pain on horses (the whips startle, not hurt). I'm saying your solution throws out the positive (animals provided food, shelter, health care) w/the bad. People die in car accidents daily. So do we ban all automobiles or INCREASE safety features & measures? I hope you'll think about it. Peace.
mjcamck 3 months ago
@mjcamck Wow, you're in denial. Dogs die in every Iditarod (I guess you might say due to sheer joy), and many more are bred than are winners. Living life in a kennel or tied to stakes I guess is your idea of dog heaven. And you have the gall to defend horse whipping to fulfill man's lust for horse racing. I only responded because I thought that you cared, but I've wasted my time. Progress for animals has only occurred in spite of people like you. Goodbye.
juslookin3 3 months ago
@juslookin3 - Hello. We just disagree here. Sorry, but thoroughbred Race Horses DO love to run (whip causes discomfort, not pain.) Iditarod dog's health are essential to good performance; they are well cared for. Sled dogs DO love to run in snow. When they don't want to, they refuse to "mush" & are replaced on the trail, not killed. Race organizers ban mushers caught neglecting/abusing their dogs. I hope you're turning your commendable passion into volunteer service at a animal shelter.Peace.
mjcamck 3 months ago
@mjcamck Hi. Your responses have been supportive of racing. My point is that whenever animals are exploited for man's entertainment, it is abuse. The racing itself is abusive (though not as bad as some other forms of "entertainment"). They have no choice. The fact that they are legally chattel and have no rights, ensures that there will always be abuse and neglect on a large scale. If you care about animals, why must you support their exploitation? Horses don't want to race; people want it
juslookin3 3 months ago
@juslookin3 - Hello. NOT Guilty. WHEN . . . where did I ever state that cruelty to animals, in any form, was "acceptable?" The UNdisputed FACT that numerous domesticated dogs, horses, etc. are mistreated should NOT be a reason for throwing out the good with the bad, but rather an incentive to ELIMINATING the neglect & abuse. When owned by decent, affectionate, good-hearted individuals, domesticated animals are well fed & live long, comfortable, lives filled with the activity they love. Peace.
mjcamck 3 months ago
@mjcamck Seriously...how many greyhounds being discarded/year are acceptable to you to continue to support greyhound racing? How many dogs dying in each Iditarod is acceptable? How many abused and/or discarded horses from the racing industry are acceptable? Bullfights? Rodeos? Circuses? All breeding misery and death to support man's lust for entertainment at their expense. My concern is with the animals, not the "rights" of insatiable humans to exploit to the fullest, in every way. Best
juslookin3 3 months ago
@juslookin3 - Hello. My veterinarian neighbors are both animal lovers. They KNOW about the abuse that SOME horse owners/breeders inflict. SOME pet owners are very cruel to their pets. Does that mean that the entire pet industry should be outlawed? Instead of throwing out the good with the bad, shouldn't we be concentrating on eliminating just the inhumane practices? Seriously. Peace.
mjcamck 3 months ago