John Piper - Church and politics

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[monergistical]

@doulos444 I'd prefer he just read the Bible for the truth and retain his current biblical position. Period. Bahnsen et al. would have done well to do the same. Theonomy has little new-covenant foundation. Let's walk as Jesus did. This world is not our home.

Disclaimer: I will say nothing more here, as I am not interested in rebutting replies ad nauseam. Nor is YouTube even a useful venue for true dialogue. I have said my peace. Soli Deo gloria.

[doulos444]

As much as I admire Piper, I think this clip is a waste of time. Yes, he is passionate (as always). But upon which specific biblical texts did he base his opinions? Jesus is indeed king over all; all includes civil magistrates, who are and always have been charged to act in accordance with God's laws, NOT their own or those of the majority of the populace. I recommend Piper and other believers listen to William Einwechter, Greg Bahnsen, and John Weaver for the truth on social ethics.

[nomadcorsair]

King Jesus yeah!! Love this!

[ThatYouthPastorDude]

Pretty sure that if you watch the YouTube video he references at the start, there is very little positive (if any), he says positive, but it sounded pretty judgmental and it sure sounded like he was playing politics from the pulpit!

[68grace]

@jncarlos007 Polarisation is to divide into sharply opposing factions. It occurs when people make statements like 'one of us is right'. Uh, no- I think we would both have good reasons for our opinions, and it is simplistic to call a man an idiot, and not acknowledge any good in him at all. Here in the UK, evangelical Christians are well represented in all our political parties, and clearly stand up for their beliefs. I am a Labour supporter, but do respect our Conservative primeminister.

[jncarlos007]

@vechorik Do you think paying taxes makes you freer?

[jncarlos007]

Respond to this video... I do not think he advocated that happening, but was just pointing out that it would. On the other hand, he did say he came to bring the sword to divide. I only try to follow and understand, not redefine...

[jncarlos007]

@68grace Your opinion of him is different than my opinion of him. One of us is right. As a person who spells the word "polarized" I wonder if I have a bit more constant and personal connection to the situation than you, but to each their own. It is true that Christians polarize, it is also true that people who do not want Christians to stand on their beliefs tell them that they are too polarizing. Jesus said he did not come to bring peace, but to set family and friends against each other.

[68grace]

@jncarlos007 in your opinion only. he doesn't seem idiotic to me. but that's not the point. the point is that it seems to me that christians polarise too readily, and should be more balanced, like john piper appears to be.

[jncarlos007]

@68grace obama is still an idiot though