Natural Science is not the only Science

After further consideration of my discussions with certain Venus Project supporters, I've come to the conclusion that "science literacy" is in a rather poor state in the world. But it's not surprising when today's standard for what is called *science* are the natural sciences (physics, chemistry, biology, etc). So when you talk about mathematics, computer science, or economics, people assume these are not real sciences or that they must conform to the standard of the natural sciences.

This is the classic example of Hayek's Scientism beef/annoyance as it shows people assume the domain of knowledge of one area must conform to the standards of another. Yet the fact remains is that this reasoning is not logical nor necessary to grasp the sciences as a whole. Science is simply an exact discipline of knowledge of a certain inquiry or body of knowledge.

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[socrates856]

I think it's an interesting discussion and certainly much better than most videos about "scientism" I have seen on YT. But I do cringe if science is presented as a category, rather than as a variable and changing set of methods. "Natural" and "social" science do overlap when one looks at them through the methodological lens. Experimentation and theory formation are not at all that dissimilar. But one can in variable ways try to demarcate based on claims and attributes (Hakey, Popper etc).

[ladyattis]

@socrates856 Yes, exactly. What really defines the unification of all sciences is that their methods hinge on a basic principle. Popper claims it's falsification, others think it's something else like what is found in regularity theory.

[AarontheCurious]

Check out my video on methodology

/watch?v=ZfliSH-0FcU

It is important to emphasize the problem of isolability and the problem of quantitative regularity in economic phenomena

[ladyattis]

@AarontheCurious Yeah, I accepted the video, but for some reason it's not showing up on the video page. WTH is wrong with YT? O_O

[HumanChemistry101]

@socrates856 Re: "Natural" and "social" science do overlap. Yes this is true. They overlap to the effect that what is natural, particularly in regards to movements on earth's surface, e.g. human economic activity, are movements governed by the Lewis inequality for natural processes (dG < 0) (Edward Guggenheim, 1933). The majority of social scientists, in contrast to physical scientists, have not yet received this memo, thus leaving social science in a state of guess work.

[TrollForTuna]

@ladyattis you should see the TTC (teaching company) torrent. google 'torrent ttc philosophy of science'

anyway it is a bunch of lectures that deals with trying to figure out what is philosophy, what is science. where they overlap etc. very very useful. in fact everything from TTC is amazing. they have 40+gigabyte of lectures.

anyway, i found this v-post excellent. i shall pass it to those who need it - specifically the zeitgeist followers. Thank you.

[TrollForTuna]

thankyou so much for this video. i don't know how many times i've heard 'your economics doesn't follow the scientific method'.

damn i hate ignorant, but subborn dicks. especially from the zeitgeist corner.

they act as if there philosophy (of which, consists of no actual texts - only movies. lol) is the only philosophy out there. and all others are old or misguided.

then again, 90% are still in highschool, and looking for something unique to attach themselves to. (idiots)

[Guncriminal]

The VP supporters (and its orchestrators) don't know natural science.

watch?v=UTZlNM-1QNM

[AarontheCurious]

@ladyattis Yeah, idk how that even happened. I've never even been to the youtube video that my video ended up as a response to...

[fwanksajerk]

@fwanksajerk

wow it's like I have dyslexia.

[fwanksajerk]

@FletchforFreedom

Exactly! I think it's more humorous/pathetic when people attempt to undermine human action or state aprori deduction is "primitive'. it just gives proof that most people who criticize literally don't understand our positoin or won't set their bias aside to properly understand oru position.