Uvic Abortion Debate Oct 21st '09 Part 10 of 10

On October 21st 2009 a debate took place at 3:30pm on the Uvic Campus. The debate featured Philosophy professor Dr. Eike-Henner Kluge, one of Canadas top bioethicists, and Stephanie Gray, executive director of the Canadian Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform (CCBR).

Unfortunately, the only recording device I had was an iPhone, and because of my seating position the audio may be hard to hear at times, and I could not capture the slides each presenter used.

Also, at the end of part 2 and beginning of part 3 Gray plays a graphic video, that I didn't capture. It probably wasn't youtube friendly anyway. Even though it's mostly silent during the duration of that clip, I left that part in so we could listen to the few reactions people had.

After a quick google search I found links to the graphic video. It turns out it was two videos put together and shortened for the presentation. Please exercise caution before clicking these links as they are extremely graphic.
Part 1 http://tinyurl.com/yleljue
Part 2 http://tinyurl.com/yl8538a

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• Abortion
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• education
• bioethics
• eike-henner
• kluge
• stephanie
• gray
• pro-life
• pro-choice
• rationality
• reason
• philosophy

[TheHardout2005]

There are so many holes and fallacies in Dr Kluge's argument! It's difficult to contain myself!

[TheHardout2005]

She has not used an emotional argument. She has only shown the reality if the facts - a reasonable and rational thing to do - which elicits emotion in the consciences of properly ordered people.

In fact, the considerations of a beaten woman who faces financial hardship because of a pregnancy IS an emotional argument, as it appeals to a slanted and uninformed sense if pity and empathy.

[tenorhighc1]

What I love about the "Neurological capacity determines personhood argument" is that it doesn't slide into untenable positions. It is easy to stay consistent and its moral conclusions will lead us to right about where we find ourselves in US law. The more radical PC arguments can lead to one defending infanticide ( that can't be right ), and the radical PL arguments lead to defending fertilized eggs over real people ( a ridiculous proposal, intuitively ). Capacity & body autonomy - good combo!

[killfloorstudios]

Dr. Eike-Henner Kluge rocks my world. Honestly. He did an excellent job in a number of ways at arguing for the rights of persons, and debunking a number of logical flaws that Ms Grey has been throwing out there. Also: gotta say.  His end note shoutout to non-human persons won me over.

[Doobrai15]

wow stephanie pwned that professor