Salvation by Grace, Works or Both? (LDS interest)

"It is by "grace" you are saved after all you can do" - LDS teaching - not a christian/biblical one!

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[batterdown]

@darkestyousibug forgets that the Bible clearly states that conduct (works) is important. LDS simply believe that grace (faith) & conduct (works) are inseparably connected, NOT mutually exclusive. Faith alone cannot save any more that conduct alone can save. We Must have Jesus. Work, grace, conduct, or faith, cannot save without Jesus. As a Christian, my conduct reflects my faith, trust & love of Christ. To be told I can't work for Jesus; you might as well chop off my hands.

[batterdown]

@darkestyousibug has twisted my words. I never said -& the LDS church does not believe- works/conduct is the "essence of salvation". He just keeps ringing the same bell expecting it to sound different. THEN, he uses a worn out method of opposition to LDS beliefs by making a blanket statement against the beliefs, with no references. In a court of law, his testimony would be stricken. You would be wise to strike it also, or ask for specifics. That is my request: Need more input, & I'll respond.

[WilteredFire]

Jesus + Nothing = EVERYTHING ... Jesus + Something = Nothing

[wellsjdan]

@batterdown -True, the logic of mainstream Christians on being saved is circular and illogical, not to mention not biblical. Gal 5:4 says one can fall from Grace, and there is many other warnings of being fallen, The most funny is they say Judas, an apostle of Christ, choosen by Christ as a believer, was not really saved. roll eyes. LOL

[darkestyousibug]

@batterdown Our rewards depend on our work. But our judgement depends what's inside our heart.:P God bless you so much ^_^

[darkestyousibug]

@batterdown Your poetic words brother does not make you smart but simply proves that I am talking to an old man. You will be judged according to your works? then poor you coz you'll be going to hell. No man is righteous, especially you who speaks evil of others brethren. We are exempted from God's wrath and God's judgement, you aren't. You say Mormons are obedient for they obey the long list of Bible's to do? never:P. It's more than that that your shallow mind can't understand-_-

[batterdown]

@darkestyousibug lies, deceives, twists & manipulates. Beware of this cunning cur in sheep's clothing. He criticizes the smallest thing, & ignores truth in his face. YES, we "will be judge according to our works". It states this clearly, several times in the new Testament, yet He deceitfully gloats of his "strong evidences (...Bible)" He is a fiend & a hound from the "Darkest" depths of the infernal pit with one unholy, impure purpose...LIE. People are chosen because they choose to be chosen.

[batterdown]

@wellsjdan- Darkest (appropriate name for a Son of Satan) uses the typical, incomprehensible technique of circular reasoning. "Once you are saved, you are always saved." Then, what about the Christian that goes out and decides to murder. "Well, then they really weren't saved in the first place." Leave him alone. Dust your feet of him. He is in league with the Father of all lies. ("Thou shalt not tempt the Lord your God." Once more, and you will feel the scourge of Zecharias.)

[wellsjdan]

@darkestyousibug- You did say Christians do not sin, you said they become a new creature, and said that if they do sin they weren't saved. So you contradict yourself. Of course Christians can sin, and of course they can fall if they are not careful, that's why Christ warns over and over to not fall from grace (Gal 5:4) David the Prophet in the OT also fell from Sin. So your beliefs are not biblical, and they are your own, other Christians agree.

[darkestyousibug]

@wellsjdan Judas is prophesized to betray God, we can do nothing bout it. Brethren, i did not say Christians don't sin. You said that a man save can murder and kill and sin anyway he/she like, of course that is not a Christian. Christian will not do that, not only mormons lol. All I can say is that. Christians hate sins just like God. And if we do sin, we hate it and fell sorry for it and struggle from it. How hard is it to absorb brother? I said it like three times already -_-. But still, GB:)

[wellsjdan]

@darkestyousibug - You contradict yourself, first you said if Christians sin they were never Christians after all, and that they become new creatures, now admit all Christians still sin. Which is it? roll eyes.

The apostle Judas, whom was chosen by Christ as one of his 12 apostles, was a believer, then Christ says he became a devil thru sin, and fell, this can happen to all of us if not careful, that's why there is so many scriptures that warn to not fall from grace (Gal 5:4)