The Messiah: Jesus in the Bible and Quran - a Muslim-Christian Debate

Rob Scott, of St Helens Church, London (www.st-helens.org.uk) debates Sami Zaatari, an International speaker for the organisation; Muslim Debate Initiative (www.thedebateinitiative.com) on the topic of the 'Messiah: Jesus in the Bible and Quran'.

20th April 2009 in Central London. Abrarhouse Hall

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Jesus
• christianity
• bible
• new
• testament
• rob
• scott
• sami
• zaatari
• islam
• quran

[FrieLegos]

I like how this guy says that Islam "fits in" with Christian teachings. adding on to a story does not make it part of the original. I could add onto the story of the American Revolution, and even add parts that make sense, but that does not mean they really happened just because they "fit in" with the story. Christianity came first, Islam copied a lot from it, plain and simple.

[mujtahid2006]

@FrieLegos

That's funny. because Jews say you Christians copied a lot of Christianity from them. Funny world eh?

[FrieLegos]

@mujtahid2006 very funny world. lol however, it is different because we did not make up the second part of the story.

[mujtahid2006]

@FrieLegos

Well a lot of Jesus' teachings (if not all) are found in the Old Testament (Jewish Torah), so I don't see your point. As for the doctrinal differences between Christians and Jews, well, there are doctrinal differences between (Trinitarian) Christians and Muslims - so I could say that our 'second part of the story' is also not copied. Go figure!... :)

[kapal1234]

@FrieLegos ,@FrieLegos ,I love Jesus.Just imagined this.All this messengers was asked to send message from the same ruler.will the message differ?muhammad is no different from any other messenger,he passed on that same message.Your Lord and my Lord is the same one,ALLAH.Jesus is a carpenter,son of mary.People called him Lord because they respect him but Jesus did say in bible,Your Lord and my lord is GOD.Allah is not Jesus,Jesus is Allah messenger.

[WakeupFreinds]

Just think of it like this friends, in the Christian Bible no where do u find any prophet going around forcing ppl to chose that religion or suffer death from the prophets hands, just from that 1 thing alone makes me wonder about Muhammad and, the Muslim religion, Im not here to judge but to say plz folks do your own home work, no1 will been given a excuse for persecuting Jesus esp in our time with all the info. we have at our hands now... Its your life and your soul on the line, good luck.

[WakeupFreinds]

@mujtahid2006 Your referring to the OT which Judaism follows yes, but Christianity teaches both the OT/old testament and NT/new testament, so that means yes ofcourse Christianity has what the Jewish ppl taught and Jesus when on earth gave it to the gentiles. Yes at 1st Lebanese, Syrians etc where Christians for many centuries, and all where given the choice to become Christians, but when Muhammad came on the scene ppl where forced to become Muslims, do your own research friend, peace.

[hpurbancombat]

@3food4u How the Quran is compiled? By date written by Mohammed or by thickness of the book as to be the first chapter for Quran after the death of your prophet? So that the book will be CLEAR or UNCLEAR in reading and in study.

[hpurbancombat]

@hpurbancombat if there is no law why God the Father found sinners and trespassers and even called those at Sodom and Gomorrah adulterers and fornicators? these act are way before Moses and again repeated in time of Moses and more taught by Yahshua and the Apostles including Paul. In Corinthians 3 Paul well differentiate the law! Read it and hope you understand what you are reading hahahah

[hpurbancombat]

@m3d2 oh my, you can't comprehend such wordings I use how much more the Scripture and the Quran or even Physics book hahahahaha! Go to back to school and learn how to analyze! whew you made me sweet because of laughing to such reply of yours.

[hpurbancombat]

@m3d2 hahaah you are insane! where did you get that idea



[m3d2]

@hpurbancombat OMG I can't believe ,why you claim to be god..are you  un sane

[3food4u]

Jesus never said he was god, full stop. Jesus did though in the Quran say he is the messenger of god, so which book would you follow, unclear, or clear?

[hpurbancombat]

@m3d2 continuation mans sin and other ceremonial that represents the purpose of the Eternal Father for His Son. Paul even state that the Law is Good as you can find in Epistle of Romans. Also he states in Romans 3:31 that we uphold the Law. Which Law? The Statutes and the Commandments of Father. Meaning the 10 Commandments or to compress the Law of Love. For this Law is already practice by Noah, Enoch, and Abraham. He was moved by faith and he obey. If there is no law from time of Abraham down

[hpurbancombat]

@m3d2 continuation.... we cannot ignore the condition of the life of the Jews at that time for they are under rulership of Roman Empire and they hoping for conquering Messiah or Saviour from that condition. But the Scriptures speaks about Messiah as saviour of mankind, saviour from the penalty of Death and Sin. The Ceremonial Law (I will site one) is only a form of covering their sins such sacrificing a lamb and it's blood but Yahshua is the Eternal Sacrificial Lamb the covers