Greg Koukl - Can God's Existence Be Proved? - Part 1 of 2

Part 1 of 2 - Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason answers the question, "Can God's existence be proved?". Recorded at STR's weekly radio broadcast. For more information visit http://www.str.org.

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[IWantToKnowChrist]

@MagenticAdam66 how can you understand heavenl;y things if you don't understand earthly things? i'm sure if jesus told you that you needed to be born again, you'd say " how can a man get back into his mother's womb?" cause thats the exact same thing you just did with what you just said.

[MagenticAdam66]

GOD-PROOF POST-2: In the gospels, there be numerous PROMISES apparently from the mouth of Christ himself, that to the TRUE BELIEVER, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE ~ for instance tell a mountain to remove from its place, AND IT SHALL BE DONE!!! And, don't forget the "Great Promise" ~ "Whatsoever thou shalt ask in my name shall be granted thee".

Such avenues of scientifically verifiable proof are not open to unbelievers ~ once again the onus of proof falls upon the Christians. Set too, zealots ~ PROVE IT!

[MagenticAdam66]

GOD-PROOF POST-1: There are two factors Christians MUST prove concerning god's existence:

1. Firstly, a man-like "True God" exists.

2. "Biblical Jesus-God" is the One True God, for without that proof, then not one should believe "that all men must come to The Father through Jesus", for they may well be worshipping a false god!

Unbelievers loathe the quoting of biblical scripture as proof of itself, HOWEVER ALL should note that scripture actually provides for SCIENTIFIC METHODS OF PROOF!

[MagenticAdam66]

What are the stated purposes of Satan's being?

It is to usurp the TRUE divinity & creation, and to destroy Earth & mankind ~ yes?

What are the purposes of Jesus, apart from of the "PROMISED" end result of salvation of men, and the restoration of an earth to pristine condition?

It is to claim to be true god, and to burn the Earth, and to destory most of mankind (excepting those who sign a "spiritual contract" with him) ~ yes?

And you just can't see why we plonkers DEMAND PROOF from you, bloke?

[MagenticAdam66]

Now, if The Divine All is the creator of everything, including Satan, who incidentally, although an angel, is also reputedly in the image of man; and as such wishes to usurp The Divine All (who/which is constituted of ALL MATTER), then do you not find it more than a little passing strange that the god of your bible claims himself to be the model, or image, of man??? Hmmmm! Who exactly is this guilt-instilling man-god, and goody-two-shoes redemtive god-son of the bible? Destroyers of Earth & Man?

[MagenticAdam66]

Now here's a poser for you: if we are created in the image of "god", no doubt penis, arsehole, and all, then that would indicate that god is manlike, yes? Ahhh, but he is also "The All", so may we not then presume that "god" is also in the image of a tree, of an ant, of a snake, of a goose, perhaps? Who runs the sanitation department in Heaven? Where do the royal turds get banished to? Who launders the big bloke's robes? Please provide PROOF with your counter-arguments. Can't sign-up without it!

[MagenticAdam66]

Don't ever forget bloke, that whilst you exhort upon us, the cute and cuddly Jesus who has come to redeem us from the vengeful, wrathful, destructive, bloodthirsty father, to accept such individual salvation of one's soul, one MUST in effect, sign a spiritual covenant with biblical god/Jesus that something like 90% of one's fellow brethren are but shit, worthy only of eternal spiritual burning. NOW THEN, do you not see why the burden of proof rests entirely with you, and only you, oh fisherman?

[MagenticAdam66]

Satan is to be encountered as prosecutor in a test of Job's loyalty to God. This, then, is God utilizing Satan. So, what are we to deduce? Satan & co-sinners are to be punished by God to expunge evil, yet Satan is also required to play his role faithfully to the end so all that God preordains may come to pass. Everything in bible is "Big Secret" to confuse Satan & sinners, yet apparently Satan had the foresight to set-up pre-cursor god-son religions prior to Christ? Smell anything fishy?

[MagenticAdam66]

You have to truely get the concept of what I am after from you here. I've successfully forseen events 40 years into the future. I've also had an out of body walk in spirit experience. In self-recognition of my very individual consciousness, and connection to The Cosmic All, The Cosmic Nature, I also believe very strongly that there is a divinity. The Question of you: PROVE ABSOLUTELY BEYOND DOUBT that your biblical god is THE ALL, THE TRUE DIVINITY, AND NOT SOME POWER WISHING TO USURP THAT ROLE!

[MagenticAdam66]

Oh, and let's not forget, I'll also need the proof that the bible is the inerrant word of God. No doubt you will point to prophetic happenstance. Well, 45 years ago, I dreamt the name of the trainer, and the horse, which were to win the Oz Melbourne Cup, 40 years into the future! Now, I don't expect you to believe that, of course ~ take it as you will. However, it must stand to reason that I do not lie ~ for why else would I then consider ANY entity may prophesise, including Satan, old mate?