Voddie Baucham on the Shack

Voddie shares about the heresies of The Shack at the True Church Conference in Muscle Shoals, AL at Grace Life of the Shoals.

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[janagyjr1978]

audio is bad.

[87elway]

@ultrapilot12 What I mean is acting as if there are traits that are separate from each other. Christ is as holy, righteous, just, and vengeful as the Father, the Father is as loving, kind and merciful as Christ. I understand they are three persons, but there is nothing in one that does not exist in each other. They are one.

[ultrapilot12]

@87elway All heresy concerns me. What do you mean, "turning Jesus or the Spirit into somebody different from the Father? They are three in one. They are different persons in one essence.

[ultrapilot12]

@87elway I agee about what you said about Isaiah. The problem with portraying Him as any woman is the Scripture uses masculine terms to describe Him. That's not the big problem with the book. The universalism in the book is a huge problem. All roads so not lead to Him. Also, the idea that there is no heirarchy in the Trinity ,and the Father also displaying the wounds of the cross are big problems. It doesn't matter that it is fiction.

[theocratickingdom30]

You are missing the point. God is holy, otherly. We are not to make any graven images of Him because there is nothing like him. That is bringing the holy God down to the level of a creature. The 2nd person of the Trinity became a middle eastern man. That is all we know. Painting Him as white probably is idolatry. I don't make it a big issue. I just point out scripture never says and His skin color isn't important. It is inherent in man to make an idol out of everything. That's what we do.

[87elway]

@theocratickingdom30 So then why is God in a fictional book as a black woman blasphemy, and God as a white man not? Isaiah 53 I believe paints a better picture as him being at least not-handsome, probably less than average looking or even ugly by our standards. And still churches insist on putting up "Sexy Jesus" lol. Anyhow good discussion, have a nice week, God Bless!

[theocratickingdom30]

@87elway: Sorry, if I came across as rude. Not my intention. I don't think we have any right to draw Jesus when Holy Writ never tells us what He looked like. I'm not sure I'd call it blasphemy, but when one draws Christ as a white man with blues eyes understand that is THEIR (emphasis) view of Christ. It isn't the truth. They are going beyond what has been revealed. We know Scripture says in Isaiah 53 he was an average looking guy. Nothing special. Was born in a town of about 50 people.

[87elway]

@theocratickingdom30 I need to first set the tone. I am in not being sarcastic or mean, simply trying to ask questions. Now, I wasn't questioning what he looked like, it was a question to you: I was merely asking if you would you call a picture of him on a cross as a white man blasphemy as well. And do you attack those who put that picture in that house as strong as you do here?

[theocratickingdom30]

@87elway: He wasn't white. We don't know what He looked like. Holy Writ has never told us what He looked like. All we know is He was middle eastern and probably dark skin due to being in the sun much of the day every day. What God decides to appear as is His business. You, as a creature, have no business questioning it.

[87elway]

@theocratickingdom30 What about Jesus being portrayed as a well groomed white man with blue eyes?