My opening statement in debate with ShwaNerd part 5

My final video in opening statement. I discuss the resurrection of Jesus

Category:

Education

Tags:

• reasons
• to
• believe

[aliashumanist5]

all this kid is doing is reading from the william lane craig handbook.

the bible is not a history book. christian apologists believe the bible is the word of god. either all of it is correct or none of it is. without this, all you're doing is creating your own religion.

everything this kid is saying are assertions based on stories of stories of stories.

NOBODY who bothered to write about jesus was even a CONTEMPORARY of him.

[migkillertwo]

"all this kid is doing is reading from the william lane craig handbook."

actually most of my arguments come from a textbook he coauthored with JP Moreland.

oh, and dont criticize me! criticize shwanerd, all he's doing is parroting wikipedia's articles

[facilisdescenus]

Did you see the show on James white's podcast? They played a clip of an interview between Bart Ehrman and infidelguy. Ig started talking about Bob Price and mythicists who thought Jesus did not exist and Paul's letters were forged. Ehrman was trying to politely say that they were nutjobs and not a single scholar gave those ideas credibility. It was great . I'll quote Ehrman here

"You can systematically doubt everything , but that is not how we do history . You do history by looking at evidence"

[migkillertwo]

yes facilis, I listened to that podcast, it was hilarious.

"Watch what happens when Bart Ehrman encounters someone even more liberal than he is!"

[aliashumanist5]

i'm not a debator. i am not a minister nor a teacher. i don't claim i can spin a yarn. however, 'there are NUMOROUS sources on the net. a simple google search will get you started.

other than ray comfort's crew and a few other asshats, like strobel, habermas and craig- neary every christian i have personally come across will not cite josephus.

josephus's quick mention of james being the brother of jesus is not in question. its the other footnote about jesus that's in question.

[aliashumanist5]

yeah. that lee strobel lovin caller made tons of mistakes. matt showed him the errorS of his ways.

[Deliratio]

I am pretty sure that many scholars would disagree here.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "josephus is considered an interpolation by most christians"?

[aliashumanist5]

you're correct in that many non-believing scholars won't entertain theism in debate. by dabating it does give some measure of validity to the position. therefore, i don't knock people who won't debate theists.

the reason i like to talk with various theists is that perhaps it will help them to think about their position. they may not embrace reality today, but someday they might.

[Pelonetillo]

this nonsense is just nuts to me. i mean, i used to believe too, but i never went to so much trouble to defend my delusions. i dont know why atheists even entertain these arguments on validity of writings and who did what, etc. look at the dang stories. do they sound the least bit believable? i mean, come on...

[Deliratio]

since there are tons of mistakes in that, it could be the one I was talking about.

[aliashumanist5]

which caller? are you talking about the guy who hung up after matt correctly pointed out that the gospels are not eyewitness reports and we have no clue who wrote the gospels, that josephus is considered an interpolation by most christians, and lee strobel's research is faulty, at best???

is that the one you're taking about??

[Deliratio]

Actually, it seemed to me like Matt dfailed as much as the caller.

I almost fall of my chair when he said "He sacrificed himself".

[aliashumanist5]

the kid is trying his best with extremely limited real world experience. when i was his age, and many years after, you couldn't tell me that the bible wasn't true. it's very surreal to me when i see kids using the same arguments that i used.

what we need to do is to continue to implore theists(especially young ones) to try to use their critical mind when studying their particular religion, especially one of the many many forms of christianity.