S.O.Y. Keita - Origins and Misconceptions of Egypt and Nile Valley inhabitants

Shomarka Omar Yahya M.D., DPhil., née Jon Derryll Walker, is an African American physician and anthropologist. He is affiliated with the National Human Genome Center of Howard University and the Department of Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institution. He has been interested in the origins of the concepts of race, the misconception of human variation as race, and the scientific approaches to the biocultural origins and histories of indigenous African peoples.

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[CrowdPleeza]

Just curious,if early Egyptians and Nubians shared biological similarities then how does that square with both groups speaking languages that belonged to different linguistic families? Egyptians spoke an Afro-Asiatic language and Nubians spoke a Nilo-Saharan language. So how related can both groups be if they spoke unrelated languages?

[AfricaTeacher]

@CrowdPleeza Its an easy answer if you are fimiliar with Language. Basque, Indo European, Funno-Ugric, Caucasian, Altaic are all someone closely related people but belong to 5 different languages families. Basque and Spanish are VERY close geographically yet speak different langues.

Some Afro-Asiatic (Chadic) speakers are genetically close to Nilo Saharans. While other Chadic speakers in Nigeria are close to Niger-Kordofanian speakers. Nubians even NOW are genetically clsoe to Egypts.

[CrowdPleeza]

@AfricaTeacher

Was there a difference between Egyptians and Nubians genetically when talking about northern Egyptians vs southern Egyptians who were closer to Nubia(more mixing)? What about the Egyptians often portraying themselves and the Nubians with different physical looks in Egyptian art? Egyptians are usually the red ochre color and Nubians are typically portrayed as Black African in Egyptian art.

[AfricaTeacher]

@CrowdPleeza Well it depends on time frame. You have a misconception of what the populations were like if you think the distinction between North and Southern Egypt was becauase mixing with Nubians.

Cant speak of Ancient genetics. Skeletal data shows basically ONE population - "Egypto-Nubian" if you will - This includes Nubia down to ANCIENT lower Egypt. Through time the Delta recieved SW Asian influence. Read: Keita, Goode, Zakrzewski - Message me for sources on Egyptian Skeletal data.

[AfricaTeacher]

I beg to differ. Semitic speakers (Outside of Africa) are Primarily Haplogroup J. Meanwhile Most AfroAsiatic speakers as well as Most Niger Kordofanian speakers are united by the P2 Clade of Haplogroup E. ALL haplogroup E members are closest to each OTHER rather than any outside groups.

Genetically, a Senegalese, a Somali, an African American, and an Egyptian would all be more related based on being members of the P2 Clade. Language can spread without people, Genes cannot.

[MysticNinjaJay]

No AKO, the genes that determine morphological traits make up a tiny percentage of the human genome. You can retain a morphology while being genetically distant. Keita notes that Australians cluster craniofacially with West/Central Africans while being genetically distant. Human biology is very complicated. You need to have a sound evolutionary model to understand human biological affinities and that is what he is stressing. Bad models and methodology leads to biological misconceptions.

[scorpianbliz]

@AfricanTeacher is it possible to upload the entire misconceptions piece or were this dvd can be purchased? many thanks!

[scorpianbliz]

@ledormant In this video Keita clearly states egypt is in africa effectively shut downs notions of an white egypt. Oh yeah i must remind you your english, french and Ancient egyptian has always been bad LOL.

[eazydee415]

Kill em

lol

[HeruTutankhamun]

@CrowdPleeza DNATribescom has released info on the Amarna Kings which show that their genetic origins are from S. Africa & the tropic regions of Africa. The results were released about a week ago. Ancient Egyptian origins are from the South as migrants left the Southern part of Africa many thousands of yrs ago & used the Nile as a guide & eventually set up shop in present day Egypt after they settled in Kush/Nubia. As Diodorus stated that the Egyptians were sent out by Ethiopians

[AfricaTeacher]

@TheJacobVoice I will send you some links in a few hours.

[TheJacobVoice]

@AfricaTeacher I am interested in looking at the Egyptian Skeletal data, could you point me in the direction where I may find that information?

[CrowdPleeza]

@AfricaTeacher

Has it been agreed on by most egyptologist that Amon has Nubian origins? A site called Nubianet says that Amon came to Nubia through the Egyptian conquest of Nubia. They also say that it was the Egyptian rulers who played up Nubia's connection to Egypt in order to encourage more Egyptians to live there. Before Egyptians avoided Nubia.

Here's the article to google if interested:

The Egyptian Conquest of Kush nubianet