Nietzsche-Against all Gods - God is dead

The Second movie from a life time Decalogue. Based on "Thus spoke Zarathustra" by Fredrich Nietzsche. Music by Richard Strauss who wrote whole album under inspiration on Thus spoke Zarathustra.

Category:

Film & Animation

Tags:

• Nietzsche
• God
• truth
• dead
• modern
• black
• and
• white
• Lukas
• Lukasik
• creation
• zarathustra

[Greensanemanic]

@tiakpark I like what you are saying, and I find it interesting! Nevertheless, hear my relatively simple idea of this. I am sure you would agree that we boost our egos by objectifying our significance through what we call "success". Right? Well the abyss as a surpass-able obstacle, implies success, and is therefore egotistical. All I am trying to say is that "staring at the abyss" is exactly that. Its scary, real and constant. Its nude reality, not an ego boosting obstacle.

[tiakpark]

@Greensanemanic ...no trust in reality. I know he understood the importance of objectivity. Consciouness is ground-zero. We only begin to understand anything until we learn to count forwards from one. Getting back to that ground-zero, egolessness could either be the work of a person dedicated to knowing the truth about reality (Buddists, on one hand) or it could be the work of a person so filled with hatred for reality that they wanted to deny or destroy reality (St. Paul).

[ruzickaw]

noisy music. does not go with the text.

[fede2]

"god is dead" is a concept for believers and atheists alike. in fact, if you read that passage in "the gay science" carefully, it seems like nietzsche is adressing non-believers primarily. what it means is that while taking god out of the picture a lot of the intellectual comfort that secular people continued to cling to goes aways as well.

[bluewater454]

Nietzsche is dead - God.

[tiakpark]

@Greensanemanic Okay, maybe hate was too strong a word. And I wasn't saying Nietzsche hated people who were objetive. Even though he wouldn't be first in learn to join the Objectivism philosophy (or any philosophy for that matter) he knew people needed to be able to objectify things. That's not what I was saying at all. I was thinking about his book "The Antichrist" and how he takes a hammer to not just Christians but anybody who would distort reality to the point where people have no trust...

[Greensanemanic]

@tiakparkI What you say is true, only I would not say Nietzsche hated anyone. I mean, do you think it is possible for someone who thinks objectification is a crude tool to turn around and hypocritically objectify others enough to hate them? Without objectification there could be no judgment, and therefore no hate. My guess is that Nietzsche was extremely impartial on such matters. Besides, his extensive and original work is proof enough to me that he wasted little time hating people.

[tiakpark]

@Greensanemanic I think what Nietzstche hated the most were so called "selfless" people who were "moral" and who were somehow more "holy" just for having a pessimistic outlook when deep down these people had huge egos. Nirvana, or egolessness, wouldn't automatically make you an anti-materialist since such thoughts or still the product of a resentful ego. Sometimes the most egotistical people are those who damn the ego itself. So the real logical thing would be to acknowledge the ego.

[tiakpark]

@Greensanemanic I'm not disagreeing with you, either. I know I have a somewhat big ego that I'm proud. (I often fantasize about being a rich aristocrat in a powerful empire led by a badass emperor). The real test is to able to turn off the ego like a light-switch. Obejctivity is important, of course, it's just not the whole truth. Truth itself is reletive, but that doesn't warrent us the right to be nihilistic, because that is itself a product of the ego which we use to try to trump existence.

[tiakpark]

@tiakpark Becomes perpetually, forever and ever...The Eternal Return, or when consciousness reaches the speed of light and meets itself.