@free2bfierce spot on totally, I do not have an issue myself with having the bible quoted, democracy means we sometimes hear every side of the arguement, but when they obsess over this or abortion etc and start to want to harm others, then that to me is not part of god's plan but a sick obsessed individual with issues
@gert123456 Please watch, "For The Bible Tells Me So". It's a GREAT documentary! It will give you a peace and TRUTH about this! God bless, in Jesus' Name.
@gert123456 Amen! I do however believe that gay people have their place in creation and the sustaining of the human race. The thing that hurts me the most is that Christians will OBSESS and burden themselves about the issue of being gay and whether or not it's a choice and will go through all the hoops EXCEPT listen to the gay person CRYING OUT at the top of their lungs that God did indeed make them that way.
@free2bfierce To me the Bible is quite clear on the issue, so I can't agree that God would make someone gay, but I do appreciate that it's near impossible to get rid of it. I would just be careful not to redefine God's standard to suite my shortcomings. All that doesnt matter really. As long as we serve the same God and accept Jesus as our Saviour. It's as Sy Rogers says. Straight people don't go to heaven and gay people don't go to hell. It's redeemed people that go to heaven, gay or straight.
@timhrim Ok, I'm not sure what's going on but he was at our church in South Africa just this last Sunday, and he showed us pictures of his family and still made the comment "we were only able to have one child". So maybe the other one was adopted or something. I know only about the daughter who is married. But either way, thanks for the chat.
@gert123456 "cause they're trying to do it in their own strength" .. this is YOUR opinion and reasoning! For MILLIONS it is just NOT that way! Many people spend YEARS rebuking and trying desperatley to "pray the gay away". They give it God (or so they think) until they come to the realization that there is NOTHING to give to God but your life! You are how he made you! Man/Woman, Black/White, Gay/Straight...
@free2bfierce Thanks for your response. I don't really agree but I just wanted to clarify Pastor Sy Rogers' message to you a bit. I believe what he says, especially because I know his character and convictions behind the words of truth he preaches. gert123456 did that very well too.
@gert123456 Thanks for your added comments. I love how you have acquired the understanding of what Pastor Sy Rogers' message.
Just FYI: I don't know when you got the update, but he has two children now. A daughter who is grown up and a son. That's what I recall from what he told us during his visit to our church in Singapore last year. He is the teacher of my pastor from Bible School too. So in a sense he is our Spiritual Grandfather :)
@free2bfierce You right. Stopping gay conduct doesnt make you straight. I also agree it's not a choice to be gay or not. But Ps Sy will disagree with you on whether it's God's natural design and whether it can be changed. I just got done listening to Ps Sy preach on how he did it, and yes, it's not easy and takes a lot of time, which is why most think it's impossible, cause they're trying to do it in their own strength. So they rather give up and change their definition of truth instead.
@free2bfierce spot on totally, I do not have an issue myself with having the bible quoted, democracy means we sometimes hear every side of the arguement, but when they obsess over this or abortion etc and start to want to harm others, then that to me is not part of god's plan but a sick obsessed individual with issues
brismike65 1 year ago
@gert123456 I'm sorry, I checked with my friend and I'm mistaken. He only has a daughter :) Thanks for the chat too :)
timhrim 1 year ago
@gert123456 Please watch, "For The Bible Tells Me So". It's a GREAT documentary! It will give you a peace and TRUTH about this! God bless, in Jesus' Name.
free2bfierce 1 year ago
@gert123456 Amen! I do however believe that gay people have their place in creation and the sustaining of the human race. The thing that hurts me the most is that Christians will OBSESS and burden themselves about the issue of being gay and whether or not it's a choice and will go through all the hoops EXCEPT listen to the gay person CRYING OUT at the top of their lungs that God did indeed make them that way.
free2bfierce 1 year ago
@free2bfierce To me the Bible is quite clear on the issue, so I can't agree that God would make someone gay, but I do appreciate that it's near impossible to get rid of it. I would just be careful not to redefine God's standard to suite my shortcomings. All that doesnt matter really. As long as we serve the same God and accept Jesus as our Saviour. It's as Sy Rogers says. Straight people don't go to heaven and gay people don't go to hell. It's redeemed people that go to heaven, gay or straight.
gert123456 1 year ago
@timhrim Ok, I'm not sure what's going on but he was at our church in South Africa just this last Sunday, and he showed us pictures of his family and still made the comment "we were only able to have one child". So maybe the other one was adopted or something. I know only about the daughter who is married. But either way, thanks for the chat.
gert123456 1 year ago
@gert123456 "cause they're trying to do it in their own strength" .. this is YOUR opinion and reasoning! For MILLIONS it is just NOT that way! Many people spend YEARS rebuking and trying desperatley to "pray the gay away". They give it God (or so they think) until they come to the realization that there is NOTHING to give to God but your life! You are how he made you! Man/Woman, Black/White, Gay/Straight...
free2bfierce 1 year ago
@free2bfierce Thanks for your response. I don't really agree but I just wanted to clarify Pastor Sy Rogers' message to you a bit. I believe what he says, especially because I know his character and convictions behind the words of truth he preaches. gert123456 did that very well too.
timhrim 1 year ago
@gert123456 Thanks for your added comments. I love how you have acquired the understanding of what Pastor Sy Rogers' message.
Just FYI: I don't know when you got the update, but he has two children now. A daughter who is grown up and a son. That's what I recall from what he told us during his visit to our church in Singapore last year. He is the teacher of my pastor from Bible School too. So in a sense he is our Spiritual Grandfather :)
timhrim 1 year ago
@free2bfierce You right. Stopping gay conduct doesnt make you straight. I also agree it's not a choice to be gay or not. But Ps Sy will disagree with you on whether it's God's natural design and whether it can be changed. I just got done listening to Ps Sy preach on how he did it, and yes, it's not easy and takes a lot of time, which is why most think it's impossible, cause they're trying to do it in their own strength. So they rather give up and change their definition of truth instead.
gert123456 1 year ago