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@FltOfTheGrndBnd Yeah, I was raised a catholic, I had that bullshit drilled into me until I was about 15. Then as the answers to my questions dried up, and were replaced with vague threats I knew that not only was I deceived into a disgraceful lie, but most of those who perpetuated the lie were ignorant bullies. Then I began to read about history, science, philosophy, and realised that people who say "i believe coz there has to be more than this" are blind to how awesome "this" really is.
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since western scientists are responsible for over one million civilians arab countries - there will be other groups who will hold them responsible for doing their mass murder by division of labor. like the allies bombed the civilians in dresden civilians of the west will be taken - especially their "gods" in the form of their actors, musicians, scientists of the diversional as well as the weapon-developing part.
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@PurpleSector you don't even know what a logic fallacy is. i know your sort of people: they claim someone made an error - but they never specifically show why exactly this or that should be an error. what you do is called "cold reading" - you make a general statement and hope others mistake it for a specific one.
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@JezaLoki Well, I'll just say that Christ had a habit of hitting the nail on the head.....the Bible is chock-full of wisdom even you aren't a Christian. I encourage you to look at what it says and decide. This choice may be the most important decision in your life. Good luck.
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@FltOfTheGrndBnd Faith for me means belief without knowing, but is still a belief, like any other belief. A persons beliefs need to be taken seriously. Hope for me is something you wish for, and particularly when you have no control, influence, or input. Some people have hope there is a god, others have faith.....but perhaps we shouldn't continue..... Im no academic, im just a moron with a computer and some spare time...
Though I don't wish to have the last word, I await your reply.
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@JezaLoki Oops......as I was saying......"To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all that there is." -Albert Einstein
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@JezaLoki But you as well said that it is never a good thing to accept things on faith in the course of seeking truth...and when it comes down to this level of discussion...it may be safe to call this vague. But back on doubt...as a Christian, I have times of doubt, but still have faith. But no matter, I have been given senses...and a reason to do with what I have to the best of my ability and find where or Whom I got it from. "To me it suffices to wonder at these secret
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@JezaLoki This discussion has taken a course of academics and defining terms...since you seem to be the one setting the discrepancy between faith and hope....please define these in your own words so I can understand your point of view in more context...I do see where you're going...but I've had a similar discussion before and two dictionaries have had different definitions of faith, one being COMPLETE freedom from doubt, and another resembling your word, hope.
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@FltOfTheGrndBnd Yes I see what you are saying concerning faith in the context of the spaceship, but if we test and test more the spaceship as you said, then faith is redundant. I think you mean hope rather than faith. Hope can certainly be positive, especially when risking your life for cheese. I used to fly alot for work, and i always hoped the plane wouldnt crash. I never thought "I have faith that the plane wont crash", because how could I say I knew it wouldn't? Id be lying to myself.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary explanations. The scientist is far more humble and sensible than the religious because even though they express their theory, they are open to a better one, should it arise. Religious types make a huge claim without the humility or sensibility of an explanation.
JezaLoki 5 months ago 47
@CGI4U The idea that "someone or something" had to "put in the initial value" for the Universe is so flawed on such a basically level. I'm baffled that 8 people who watch these videos would upvote such a blatant logic fallacy to the highest rated comment on this video.
PurpleSector 5 months ago in playlist Videos from sixtysymbols 27