The Healing at Racchi

During our group Healing & Vision Quest, Peruvian master shaman, don Victor Estrada performs energy healing and extraction in the market square at Racchi.

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• Peru
• energy
• medicince
• healing
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[wyatt5550]

I'm down to try almost anything at least once.

[Assclownery]

@HazelLuckman I'll spit on anybody if they pay me.

[HazelLuckman]

Wow! So many cultures spit on people for luck, or to ward off evil etc, but I've never seen it for real! Thanks.

[hanscgn1]

...cont´d:

I do not know if shamanic healing has ever been clinically tested. I can try to look it up, as there are a number of websites dedicated to the question of the validity of alternative medicine.

The issue is touchy, b/c dismissing someones personal experience as anecdotal und therefore scientifically insignificant may come across as offensive. While remaining very much a sceptic, I myself have experienced an "unconventional" cure, in rather undramatic circumstances, though.

[hanscgn1]

Hi,

which might result in an interesting study, should anybody be willing to put in the time, money and effort. The setup of such study is of paramount importance though, to make it clinically relevant, and right there might be the catch.

I do know that a number of methods of alternative medicine have been clinically tried an tested (homeopathy, accupuncture, etc.), some many times over, w/o any results though other than the placebo effect (which is not to be dismissed lightly!). Cont´d....

[AntoniaMartinez]

A friend diagnosed with a rare incurable form of cancer was given 6 months to live. She cured herself using teas & herbs. When she went back to the doctor, he had NO INTEREST in her recovery. He told her to leave because he didn't want to hear it. This is not the first such story and this one didn't even involve anything mystical. Why is no one scrutinizing the dissmissive doctors? How many documented "spontaneous" healings are there that coincide with a trip to a shaman, shrine, herb shop etc?

[AntoniaMartinez]

Of course. And he's not the only healer with results. Not only with the energy medicine but also with plant medicine too. Is anyone actually conducting these studies? Are they visiting any shamans to investigate? The people with more serious conditions like cancer have the evidence in their charts. A healer I know who cured herself of a thyroid condition with energy was written up in a medical journal decades ago. How many investigate further? How many say it was spontaneous and dismiss it?

[AntoniaMartinez]

Its no different with the shaman. The divine source of healing is the same. The effect is not in the mind. Spitting: that is not what gets the job done. Its part of the ritual. Just like bowing the head is how some pray. Bowing itself does nothing. Many indigenous people have colorful ways they pray and connect with God to do their work. So yes, you could heal by spitting water IF thats how you connect with God. Likewise, you could heal with medicine IF you know how to administer it.

[AntoniaMartinez]

Think about it: Even though you don't know for sure if it works, you dismissed saying it was all in the mind without any inquiry. Thats why the world isnt going. I ask you: If God alone has the power to heal why isnt the world going to God instead of doctors? Scientifically, God healing is as irrational as a shaman doing the same. Does Gods healing power negate the skill or usefulness of the doctor? Or does God allow healing through the doctor (or a pill or prayer circle for that matter)?