Francis Chan - Jesus: More Than a Savior

A clip from a sermon entitled "Christ Centered Relationships, Part 2" by Francis Chan at Cornerstone Community Church in Semi Valley, CA.

"Whoever says he abides in Him must walk in the same way in which He walked." -1 John 2:6

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[ClintRasberry]

Videos like this makes me want to move to california to hear him every Sunday. 1 John 2:6 is a great verse!

[DragoonEnNoir]

I don't think Christianity has taken Jesus away from his Jewish roots.

As Saul of Tarsus puts it, "A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code." (Letter to the Romans 2:28-9)

Jesus is not the denial of the Law of Moses, but its full and true fulfillment. Yeshua ha Maschiach.

[xxBananaXIceXCreamxx]

@DragoonEnNoir Amen brada!

[B2kcookies]

amen Amen Amen !!!!!!!!!!!

this hits HARD !

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@ElProximo I do not bother to use the word "faith" to describe my probabilistic trust, because "faith" is a strongly religious word that I'm not comfortable with using. I suppose I will simply say that I do not have any reason to believe what Paul supposedly believed. As I have said before, I do not care about making a case to you in order to get you to see things my way.

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@ElProximo I acknowledge your point about us having different definitions. I do know how to discuss things properly; I just do not always see my own flaws so easily.

Let us go with your definition of "faith," then. Suppose I grant the claim that Paul is meaning that faith has that definition. In this case, "faith" is indistinguishable from trust, for their definitions are apparently synonymous. I would use the word "trust" to define my probabilistic beliefs regarding exams, cars, and schools.

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@ElProximo I KNOW what you meant by the school and exams. I acknowledged that in the last sentence of my last comment.

The issue is what is meant by knowing that the school exists and is open and the information about the exams. However, existence of the school isn't something that "comes to pass." These aren't "unseen" things. Rather, the existence of a school at a location at a particular time is a past experience, and we have probability to thank for believing that it continues to exist.

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@ElProximo Wrong. I make predictions based upon previously tested evidence, and I test those predictions. That doesn't require me to have faith. You're simply inserting faith into the scenario without any need or reason to do so. I don't care about making a case to you in order to get you to see things my way.

Also, you are wrong in saying that I go to school or that I take exams. However, the specifics are meaningless, since any scenario you bring up functions on the same basic principles.

[FingazNoThumbz]

I can't wait to get my feet washed by a Christian!

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@ElProximo As for your chair analogy, I do not have "faith" in a chair. Rather, I have good, testable reasons and past experience for believing that a chair will hold me up or not. That doesn't have anything to do with faith; it has to do with experience and reason.

You may believe in "the second coming, heaven, etc," based upon what you believe about the Bible's claims, but I do not think you are correct in believing in them. When you have evidence, faith isn't required.

[NaturalMiracleMan]

@ElProximo No, I disagree. Paul doesn't make any such distinction about faith. Making predictions about the future has nothing to do with faith.

I will agree with you only in that I do think that Christians believe in their religion based upon what they consider to be sound reasons. However, their reasoning tends to devolve into the phrase, "You just gotta have faith," which doesn't jive with your definition of faith.