No Compulsion in Religion(Surah 2:256-Abrogated or not?)

Is this verse REALLY abrogated or does it still apply today?
Tafsirs mentioned in the video:
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=2&...

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=2&...

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=6832

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqwOW8xan8

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[UnidHali]

This was before the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, was commanded to fight the people of the Book. But then Allah's saying (There is no compulsion in religion…) was abrogated and the Prophet was commanded to fight the people of the Book in Surah Repentance”.

That's from the great Imam al-Wahidi's Asbab al nazool, yes it's abrogated.

Look it up on altafsir.

[ozzycda]

@UnidHali I linked that site amongst many others and referenced many scholars and Tafsirs on this subject. It would appear that the majority consensus of scholars like i said in the video does not view this verse to have been abrogated. However thank for pointing out some scholar who does think so.

[Takaja316]

@ozzycda It's clear then that your religion has reformed over the years, That's good to hear. peace.

[ozzycda]

@ozzycda cont. have proper knowledge in gathering and authenticating hadiths and this was known to their fellow scholars and in the case of Tabari, even to himself. The Science of Hadith is a complex subject just like all the branches of study that make up Islam and cannot be summed down to we Muslims reject things we dont like. Ibn Ishaq's Sira as a mix of "good" and "bad" hadiths and yet we are told to not accept his ENTIRE BOOK because he was not a scholar of hadith etc. Peace.

[ozzycda]

@ozzycda cont. that they find is "negative" or "proves their case against Islam" and then find out that Muslim do not accept what it is they bring to the table. However be clear that as per the Science of Hadith the majority of Muslim accept the hadiths in Shaih Bukhari and Muslim along with any authentic hadith found in the other collections. However it is the Sira(Biographies) we mus be skeptic about because they do contain hadiths that are not authentic and based from people that did cont.

[ozzycda]

@Takaja316 I would say we will not agree on this because Muslim since the time of the Prophet and his companions, wives and friends all agreed on what became the Science of Hadith, in others words to look at his sayings and figure out if they were authentic or not. It has been around since the beginning of Islam and is not some sort of justification for things we may or may not like. However I can see why for certain people its annoying because they want the hadiths to say things fro them cont.

[Takaja316]

@ozzycda And this is where we will never agree. Those haditths are biographies fine. You simply choose to ignore them because they do not portray your religion how you'd like. As i said before, keep justifying, you're only veering further and further away from the truth.

[ozzycda]

@ozzycda cont. life and the authenticity of reports that are very much documented by the science of hadith and the scholars who are educated in that field of Islamic study, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. Again no scholar or Imam has "told me" to say any of what I say in my videos. I am not a parrot. I read and do research for myself and understand academic scholarship and study and based on that make up my own mind regarding these topics. Do check out those books, hope they help.

[ozzycda]

@ozzycda cont. my latest video entitled Ramadan 2010, where I go through this subject amongst others. I have read the earliest biographies and the earliest hadith collection and also have a pretty good understanding of Hadith authentication and transmission. I would recommend a book entitled "Images of Muhammad-Narratives of the Prophet of Islam across the centuries" by Tarif Khalidi and "Muhammad" by Karen Armstrong. Both are modern books and discuss the documentation of the Prophet's cont.

[ozzycda]

@Takaja316 I have read the early biographies of Muhammad and even have read the hadith material that was done earlier or at the same time as those early biographies. You also have to understand that when reading those books(Sira-Biography) and Hadith collections one must understand hadith transmission and authentication. Muslims since the time of the writing of those early biographies rejected most of the content due to the unauthentic narrations found therein. I mentioned this concept in cont.