What The Founding Fathers Really Wanted For America

They didn't want gay marriage, polygamy, theocracy, nor Christian prayer out of school.

A Theodore Shoebat Production.

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[seekertrth]

I can go on + on + on,bottom line is this:there are literally hundreds of thousands of examples of keeping religion out of American politics. Whereas,at best,scouring through ALL of the historical records,there are examples of some religious zealots that supported injecting religion into it. However,it was the majority, as noted by Jefferson(previous post) that it would not be the case,as the danger to democracy from such a coupling far outweighed any benefit. Indeed,history shows it dangerous.

[seekertrth]

Madison: "The settled opinion here is, that religion is essentially distinct from civil Government, and exempt from its cognizance; that a connection between them is injurious to both...

...some sort of alliance or coalition between Gov' & Religion neither can be duly supported: Such indeed is the tendency to such a coalition, and such its corrupting influence on both the parties, that the danger cannot be too carefully guarded against".

[m904begley]

@affilinet PART4 - For over a century, no restriction of speech was needed, but when someone who lacked the fortitude to do what was morally right yelled "fire" a mandate had to be issued. This process continues today. Our freedom of speech is eroded in direct proportion to society's waning morals, eg. hate speech laws. I hope this has helped both you and tshoebat to grasp what Adams meant. An online search of Adams' works will provide much better context than quotations alone.

[m904begley]

@affilinet PART3 - So, using traffic laws as an example (albeit a poor one), Adams was saying that if society had an inner moral fortitude to obey traffic signals, speed limits, etc., we wouldn't need traffic laws; but, because many lack that 'morality', laws are established, eroding our freedom. Less morality = more laws = less freedom. A better example is freedom of speech which was abridged after 73 lost their lives due to someone falsly yelling "fire" at a crowded Christmas party in 1913.

[m904begley]

@affilinet PART2 - John Adams also said, "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." In other words, he was saying that the freedoms provided by our Constitution cannot work for an immoral society. Morality is simply defined as having the character to do what you SHOULD do instead of what you have the FREEDOM to do. According to John Adams, a free society will self destruct without morality.

[m904begley]

@affilinet PART1 - Private ownership and free market regulation are irrelevant. It is nearly impossible to expound on ideas in 500 characters or less, so I will do it in multiple posts. At 2:00 tshoebat misinterprets a quote by John Adams as meaning, "Without morals there is no freedom," and then he essentially asks, "Would you feel more free or less free without laws?" That entirely misses Adams' point. A more accurate interpretation would be, "Freedom cannot stand without morality."