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Please check your video title - it is too long. (the old days) (now it tells me)
THE LAST TIME Rolling Stones Songbook
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Late in his career, Klein agreed to license a sample of a Rolling Stones song to the British group the Verve for their hit single "Bittersweet Symphony." But after the song was released, ABKCO successfully argued in court that the Verve had used too much of the sample and won 100 percent of the song's royalties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Sweet_Symphony

On their song "Bittersweet Symphony," the British rock group The Verve sampled an orchestration from The Rolling Stones' "The Last Time," the rights to which are owned by Klein's ABKCO Industries. Before the release of the album, The Verve negotiated a licensing agreement with Klein, who administered The Stones' catalogue, to use the sample (or at least the compositional rights to the sample). In 1997, The Verve's album Urban Hymns peaked at No. 23 on the Billboard charts. A bitter legal battle ensued, resulting in The Verve turning over 100% of the royalties to ABKCO. Klein argued that The Verve had violated the previous licensing agreement by using too much of the sample in their song. Capitalizing off the success of the song, Klein licensed The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" to Nike, who proceeded to run a multi-million dollar television campaign using The Verve's song over shots of its sneakers. Klein also allowed the song to be used in advertisements for Vauxhall automobiles. (Additionally, though the song was authored by The Rolling Stones, the Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra performed the sampled recording, and also filed suit upon the success of the song. When "Bittersweet Symphony" was nominated for a Grammy Award, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones were named as the nominees, rather than The Verve.

Originally, The Verve had negotiated a licence to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample.[5] Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" is partially based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and builds layers upon it, though the prominent violin melody is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards.

First my friend was obsessed-at-the-moment with this band/singers voice...years later I saw VH1 about the song sample source and license(ing). WELL GUESS WHAT? FOR YEARS I HAVE OWNED THE FULL ALBUM (STILL DO) GOT THE "Andrew Oldham Orchestra-Rolling Stones Songbook" Import Reissue, years ago (brand new) from Harvard Square records mail order, I think.
I HAVE HAD IT FOR YEARS.
Although the song's lyrics were written by Verve vocalist Richard Ashcroft, it has been credited to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger because the song uses the Andrew Oldham Orchestra recording of The Rolling Stones' 1965 song "The Last Time" as its foundation. Originally, The Verve had negotiated a license to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample.Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" is largely based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and then builds upon, though the continuous riff is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards. "We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says band member Simon Jones. "They rung up and said 'we want 100 per cent or take it out of the shops', you don't have much choice." After losing the composer credits to the song, Richard Ashcroft commented, "This is the best song [Mick] Jagger and [Keith] Richards have written in 20 years."
The Andrew Oldham Orchestra are a side project fronted by Andrew Loog Oldham, the original manager of the Rolling Stones. The Orchestra released four studio albums, East Meets West, 16 Hip Hits, Lionel Bart's Maggie May, and Rolling Stones Songbook. Rolling Stones Songbook features the orchestrated version of the Mick Jagger and Keith Richards song "The Last Time", which was sampled by The Verve for their track "Bitter Sweet Symphony". Licensing issues over the sample caused the copyright of the song to revert to ABKCO Records and the composition to Jagger and Richards. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS ON HERE??????????

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  • why WOULDN"T they sue...these guys didn't even ask, and the song sounds exactly the same, and they made a bunch of money...fuck em..you win some you lose some...so bittersweet.

  • @dannon2010 abcko owns the rights

    but the stones did sue decca

  • mich your a thundercunt for suing the verve

  • @robertdejong123 its Mick and it is not MICK's fault, it is ABCKO!!!

    abcko the late allen klein owned the rights but not sure if owned the rights to this version...

  • OK So I made a really cool song using the loop from bitter sweet symphony and a hole load of my own hard work... Who's gonna sue me? Mick? Verve? Both?

  • @puntopower666

    ABCKO will sue

    who knows who else

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  • @folkmusic1991

    i may be wrong in this situation. but all those songs till the early 70's ended up being owned by ABCKO. not micks fault.

  • Los Rolling Stones apestan :) y el tipo que hizo el juicio tambien lo es... esos tipos son una manga de egoistas estupidos!  QUE VIVA THE VERVE

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  • Générique du grand entretien par François busnel du lundi au vendredi sur France Inter =)

  • @dannon2010 they did ask. they got the rights. then the song became huge and some people wanted the cut of it. legal battle ensued, and the verve wrongfully lost.

    It is the sad truth of this song.

    oldham made something good. the verve made turned it into something unbelievably amazing.

  • @jperrytwigg The duh duh duuuhhh, duh duh duuuhhh, duh duh duh duh duh duh duhhhh bit was made by The Verve. But after the Stones' old company got credit for the song, they marketed that part of the song out like whores, which was wrong. Fair enough if you market the piece that you 'created'...

  • Some misunderstanding of the legal issues here. The Verve obtained permission from Oldham to use a sample of his orchestral version of the Stones song. But they overlooked that they also needed to get permission from the copyright holders of the song; in this case originally Jagger/Richard, but assigned to Allen Klein or his company. Having used a sample, the Verve didn't have a chance of denying 'copying', even though the orchestral version is very different from the Stones original.

  • @SharpTurnsNYourWords was on purpose

  • Your camera work makes my pee pee sad.

  • the original is not from the Stones, it´s from Edward Grieg: Hall of the Mountain King, check it out…

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