Is Jesus Jehovah? (Cross Exam Answers and Questions)

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[21crosscheck21]

I think your answer to question 2 was very telling. On one hand you are asking folks to embrace a view of Jesus based at least in part upon Jewish tradition yet you reject Jewish tradition when it contradicts your own belief. You seemed to wonder why he asked the question when in fact the question was quite relevant to the "evidence" for agency you presented.

I did enjoy your response and your tone in the debate thus far.

[IvanDefendingTruth]

@21crosscheck21 Since making this video, I have realized that many scholars have found Josephus in error in portraying the Essene's beliefs accurately, particularly their view of the soul. They were wholists not dualists.

[ETHANGELIST]

And of course, Ignatius is said to have met John himself. Ignatius was not debating John or spreading false doctrine to churches. The evidence in his letters point to the opposite. Ignatius wrote as though the recipients automatically believed Jesus is the eternal God. He didn't need to debate or explain that; they automatically believed it! He believed as John believed. He was not a false prophet. He was a well-respected evangelist and leader. He had the true Jesus.

[ETHANGELIST]

Regarding the 90-110 AD thing. 20 years is a very small amount of time. For a very important church to go from approved by Jesus to heretical in only 20 years, is, in my opinion, impossible. To assert that the Ephesian church, founded by the apostles themselves, got corrupted doctrines in a short space of time is an insult to the apostles and the shepherds of that church. In year 90 AD they believed Jesus is a creature, then in only 20 years time, the whole church believed Jesus is eternal?

[21crosscheck21]

@IvanDefendingTruth Referring to the Essenes or Josephus alone you may have a point but scholars like Robert Morrey and others provide plenty of evidence that the dominant view of the day was that there was conscience existence immediately after death. Even Jesus in his parable of the rich man used this concept because his audience related to it because they believed it and embraced it. Notice also that Jesus never corrected the view but rather told them they would end up there.